The EU debate - Part III

Remember what the MOd said, pull it in a bit

 

I can introduce to them them in Brum if you want.

 

The price hikes are coming, Bod. Inflation will feed its way through due to the weaker currency. It doesn't all happen in one day, or week.

As to instability, due to the fact that there was virtually zero pre-Brexit planning done by either the Gvt or the leave campaign, it's all dragging on longer than was anticipated. Yes, there was chaos for the first few weeks, but now we're in the lull. As I said before, it's almost like the phoney war of 1939.

As I've said, I don't expect too much movement in markets until what Brexit means becomes much clearer. If and when article 50 is triggered, then you'll,see some action!...

 

Peoples views on Grammar schools

May's school revolution: PM says EVERY school can become a grammar, new faith schools can be 100% selective and universities will have to open secondaries

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3780627/Theresa-says-school-grammar.html

 

Them Them is a Thai ladyboy .... now it makes sense ...

 

You been hanging around with your owners again?

 

... never been owned .... owned plenty

 

Meh, filtering students due to their ability aged 11 risks the return to the days of old where the grammar schools attained high levels of pass grades and thus attracted the best staff and the secondary moderns had all the dregs and largely failed.

 

I agree, so why are they trying again, I can understand the top kids go to such a school, but top open it up as they want seems stupid.

 

I have no desire to see a complete return but I'm not opposed to grammar schools completely.
At 11 it should only be open to students who have spent their whole school life in state schools.

Otherwise it's a subsidy for the wealthy rather than assisting bright pupils from poorer backgrounds

 

Makes good sense.

 

A return the '11+' gives the wealthier the opportunity to employ private tutors specifically to give their kids a better chance of passing the exam, thus it'll be partly a filter that's driven by wealth as opposed to ability

 

It's perfectly possible to firm opinions about people you haven't met. For example, I haven't met you, but I think I can say with reasonable confidence that were I to do so, I would not enjoy the experience.

I try to keep an open mind though. It's possible your persona on this forum is an elaborate wind up, & you're actually a very clever and witty guy. The jury is out, but counsel for the defence would probably suggest you pack a toothbrush when you turn up to hear the verdict.

 

For every one that they build in leafy suburbs they should build two in poorer neighbourhoods and be strict on catchment areas.

 

I'm afraid it already happens. The 11+ is less common but it hasn't gone away.
There are initiatives in state schools that are aimed at helping the brighter students. At the moment it is only private school kids and those with wealthy parents that have any hope of access. Including the required knowledge in junior schools and removing those who can afford to avoid state schools enhances the chances of those who don't have those benefits.

 

No mate, it's just him being him

He's exactly the same on multiple other forums, notably accounting ones lol.

 

That's not how it's supposed to work though. I went to a grammer school, & most of my schoolmates were from pretty ordinary backgrounds. And I'm not sure private tuition would have helped anyone whose parents could afford to pay for it - the 11+ was designed to measure IQ, not knowledge.

I'm ambivalent abour grammer schools - but it's worth noting that there was far greater social mobility when they existed than there is now. Harold Wilson, for instance, was a grammer school boy, as was Ted Heath. Better imo than being ruled over by a bunch of public schoolboys. (I haven't mentioned a pair of bloody difficult women who both went to grammer schools because I'm not sure what they would do to my argument).

 

My missus is a private tutor. Quite staggering what people are willing to pay - from the uber wealthy to average Joes.

 

I agree. There is one grammar school for the entire county where I live. It's 20 miles away in a wealthy area.
There is no way my son could've gone there even if he passed the 11+.
He started there this week in the sixth form to do his A levels.

 

I don't have an issue with kids being streamed once they get to secondary school, so that the brighter kids aren't held back and the less gifted kids left behind, but it should be under the same roof imo. As that allows for progression within the streams during the entirety of secondary education. Having a test at 11 that could literally define a kids future is wrong imo.