The EU debate - Part III

Erm okay, no problem

 

But they can't be seen to do that, can they?

If they let the UK cut a special deal on trade and free movement, everybody will want some concession or other too.

 

He posts under his real name, and he's seemingly not bothered about us knowing everything from his home address to the name of his dead cat.

 

Windmilling

 

And you wonder why people give up trying to have a constructive conversation with you and just call you a fat ****?

The point I was making, painfully clearly just for you, is that implementing trade barriers is a logical threat the EU could make should we refuse to budge on movement of labour.

 

Fair point. There's an added incentive for the EU to not come across as weak given we are, potentially, the first to leave of a few.

 

Why should the EU insist on freedom of movement? The EU has done many free trade deals with countries and there's no freedom of movement required.
Only very few of the following list have deals for freedom of movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements#Free_trade_agreements_in_force

 

Fair enough if hes not fussed

Like RHC then! Bless him

 

So you are not able or willing to answer the question. Saying it is rubbish is not very persuasive. In fact it shows that you don't know enough to answer the question logically.

 

Because it's a pre requisite of membership of the EU and we have been part of it.

If we leave and retain free trade, but lose free movement where does that leave the EU ffs?

The far right across Europe would be pushing for referendums in their own countries with the example of how the UK ****ed off the EU but retained all the benefits of membership.

It's never going to happen and never was.....all the current Tory posturing is just that...posturing. The EU have made their views clear on this issue from the off.

The idea that Davis is going to rock up give them a death stare and a Vicky Pollard'esque 'not bothered' when they say a tariff deal is all we'll be getting without free movement , and they'll crumple like a cheap suit because we're British God damnit, is the stuff of absolute fantasy

 

I suggest you look deeper.
Let's try turkey

'does not cover essential economic areas such as agriculture, services or public procurement '

So a free trade agreement not including food and services.

 

He's even more transparent than Cuth!

 

... I'm not an accountant like you Pete...but I suspect it might be because costs exceed turnover ... ...do you think it might be the right time to concentrate more on your kitchen fitting sideline ?

 

How come they have cut practically all of the following countries "a special deal on trade and free movement"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements#Free_trade_agreements_in_force

 

That is some claim

 

I've got a feeling you don't understand much about economics. Ask NSIS if he thinks the "UK's costs will exceed turnover".
I'm quite happy with my accounting business thank you but I think it might be the right time for you to study for a GCSE in economics. Hopefully they will explain the differences between a country and an individual business. Or maybe they would expect you to understand that before starting the course.

 

Those countries are not EU members though, are they Pete? If you want a completely unrestricted trade deal with the EU you have to accept free movement of people.

The list you've picked up from wiki just details that here is a free trade agreement. It does not mention any concessions that these countries have to make to the EU.

'Free trade' is in fact a misnomer. There is always a quid pro quo that the EU will want.

 

...thanks Pete ...but economists are only marginally less dull than accountants ...not going to risk never again getting shagged by hot women for that mate ...life's too short

 

Pete should have been an actuary. That's a job for people who find accountancy too racy!...

 

The UK will not be an EU member once they leave the EU. The deal that the UK and EU arrive at will not start operating until the UK leaves the EU. There's only a few of the deals requiring freedom of movement that I know of. You can always look at the details here
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/agreements/index_en.htm
It's quite clear that many countries negotiate free trade deals without freedom of movement as a requirement. I would expect the UK would want that as well. If the EU insists on tariffs it's a lose:lose situation but the UK will be able to come up with plenty more win:win free trade deals than the EU could ever agree in the same amount of time.