1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Memories of Favourite Handicappers

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Ron, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. beeforsalmon

    beeforsalmon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    5,394
    Likes Received:
    1,325
    Royal County Star.
     
    #21
  2. Chaninbar

    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2011
    Messages:
    4,783
    Likes Received:
    3,361
    Stormez. Tiny little horse that seemed to take an age clambering over each fence but had the heart of a lion.
     
    #22
  3. Dancingbraveforever

    Dancingbraveforever Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2011
    Messages:
    1,176
    Likes Received:
    557
    Anyone remember Olifantsfontein? A right rogue if i remember correctly?
     
    #23
  4. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    51,260
    Likes Received:
    25,764
    Thanks for that Bustino. Very interesting. I hadn't realised By Thunder was fancied for 2 classics. I only picked up on him at a later stage in his career, when the tactics changed
     
    #24
  5. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    2,111
    If no-one else is going to say it I will

    Arkle
     
    #25
  6. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    51,260
    Likes Received:
    25,764
    I'll raise you - Flyingbolt

    Quickly move on
    please log in to view this image
     
    #26
  7. bayernkenny

    bayernkenny Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2011
    Messages:
    3,709
    Likes Received:
    1,726
    Flat - Ubedizzy (horse was a nutcase!)

    NH - Bachelors Hall
     
    #27
  8. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    2,111
    One of the trainers I really liked in the '60s/'70s was Arthur Budgett. As well as his classic horses he always seemed to have a couple of good handicappers and two I distinctly remember were Petty Officer and Prominent.
    Petty Officer won 10 races from the age of 3 to the age of 7. He won The Vaux Gold Tankard and The Timeform Gold Trophy during his long career and also won the Group 2 Jockey Gold Cup.
    Prominent won 16 races from the same age range and coincidentally the same years (1970 to 1974). Prominent won 2 John Smiths and also won a big handicap run at Goodwood then called the PTS Laurels Hcp. He was also classy enough to win the Prix Foy and be placed in several Group races.

    You don't seem to get horses like this today and I wonder if the pattern is the problem. Horses like these, good enough to compete in Group Races, had to earn their corn in handicaps. Today they'd be found an easy Group 3 every couple of months and never suffer the indignity of having to give weight to a load of handicappers. It's a lose lose situation. A loss for handicaps and a loss for the pattern, and ultimately a loss for competitive racing.
     
    #28
    Tamerlo likes this.
  9. Cyclonic

    Cyclonic Well Hung Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    13,975
    Likes Received:
    2,917
    Nothing worse than seeing a 4 horse Group event. How can that be good for breeding? After the horse is put to some out of the way stud, an owner pays a few thousand to put his mare to a sire that was lucky enough to stagger into a place against a few pluggers on a rain affected course. Wonderful.
     
    #29
  10. Tamerlo

    Tamerlo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    2,231
    Likes Received:
    947
    Hi Bustino. Arthur Budgett's name always makes me smile. I spent a week with a friend at Blackpool in 1964 and, after seeing that the "milllions of years old two headed monster" on the Golden Mile was actually papier mache, we agreed that the whole thing was just daylight robbery. Travelling home, we saw in the paper that Scobie was riding a horse of the same name in the July Cup.
    Convinced the omen was unbeatable, we got off the bus and dashed into the bookies to back him. Alas, the race had finished only seconds before and it was a photo finish. And, though the bookies bet 1/10 that the favourite, Matatina, ridden by Lester, would win- and despite the photo taking over 20 minutes- Daylight Robbery won at 100/8. Destiny!
    PS. I remember seeing Arthur Budgett interviewed. He seemed a lovely man.
     
    #30
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2016
    Bustino74 likes this.

  11. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    2,111
    Hi Tamerlo, good to hear from you and great story.
    I looked up Daylight Robbery and reckon Budgett must have bred him as well as trained him. Though he never spent a lot of money he bought wisely into good families: for example his purchase of Chorus Beauty from Holliday and from the Blue Peter family (that gave him an Oaks 2nd and 2 Derby winners). If you look at Daylight Robbery you see her grandam is a mare called Bardia, who was bred by Dick Hollingsworth out of his root-mare Felsetta (family of Buoy, Bireme, Cut Above and Talent).
    Budgett developed his own stirp of this family through Daylight Robbery's dam Luminant. She presented him with a mare called Death Ray who produced for him that good colt More Light (by his own Morston: Dick Hern trained him). But more important she delivered a High Line daughter called Shoot a Line, who as a 3yo ran one average race when 5th in the Oaks behind her relative and stablemate Bireme. Shoot a Line won the Cheshire Oaks, Ribblesdale, Irish Oaks, Yorkshire Oaks and Park Hill Stakes, and was rated at the end of the season joint-top 3yo filly (alongside Bireme). Later her daughter produced Kentucky Derby winner Thunder Gulch, but Budgett had sold her by then.
    There are still members of Bardia's family in the Kirtlington Stud I believe and I think the stud is still run by Arthur's son Chris. Yes I always thought he was a nice man and very modest. Apparently the jockey Hide was annoyed by his niceness when in paddock for the Derby he was told by Budgett to give Morston an easy race!
     
    #31
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2016
    Tamerlo likes this.
  12. Tamerlo

    Tamerlo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    2,231
    Likes Received:
    947
    Hi again, Bustino. That Felsetta family you mention...didn't those horses stay like lions! It seems to me I recall hundreds of races/Dick Hern horses where Joe Mercer (particularly at Newbury)-and later Willie Carson- took up the running over 4 furlongs out - and just galloped the opposition into the ground. Where or where have all those stayers gone?
    You mentioned Shoot A Line.
    An interesting memory...When she won the Irish Oaks, she beat an Irish filly called Little Bonny and the latter went on to finish second in the Prix Vermeille and win a very valuable handicap at Gulfstream,USA.
    After her second to Shoot A Line, she contested a listed race up North and Stoute ran his easy Goodwood Extel Handicap winner, the filly Karamita, who had won that race carrying 7st 7lbs.
    A friend of mine put 10 quid on Karamita, ridden by Lester.I told him he was barmy and that Little Bonny, though unbackable, was the best bet of the year at level weights.
    As it transpired, they started, unbelievably, as 2/1 joint favs. Though Piggott thrashed Karamita, Little Bonny laughed at her and won hard held.I still feel today that, at 2/1, Little Bonny was the second best value sporting bet in history.
     
    #32
    Bustino74 likes this.
  13. Dexter

    Dexter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    6,372
    Likes Received:
    244
    Benstead also trained Baronet to win two Cambridgeshires...no mean feat.

    The first was before my time but I just about remember the 1980 version as a youngster.
     
    #33
  14. Dexter

    Dexter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    6,372
    Likes Received:
    244
    Willie Wumpkins and Diamond Edge also worthy of a mention.
     
    #34
  15. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    2,111
    Baronet was a horse with a history. He had 7 letters to his name and was owned by Lady Beaverbrook. He was trained by Dick Hern and looked fairly decent as a 2yo and actually ran in the Craven Stakes of 1975. He was slightly disappointing and though winning a couple of small races went to that years Horses in Training Sales.
    As well as winning the Cambridgeshire twice these two wins were sandwiched between two 2nds in the same race. Benstead must have done great job with him.
     
    #35
    Dexter likes this.
  16. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    2,111
    But honestly Arkle is the greatest handicapper ever. He has to be. He won piles of handicaps over several years and but for one race always carried top-weight.
     
    #36
  17. Tamerlo

    Tamerlo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    2,231
    Likes Received:
    947
    That goes without saying, Bustino, although Arkle Supreme tended to rave about him a bit too much - and members overreacted when he was mentioned.
    Quite simply, he was the greatest horse in my lifetime. No argument.
     
    #37
  18. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    2,111
    They were right to overreact as the ravings were just that.
     
    #38

Share This Page