The EU debate - Part II

They seem to talk nonsense and then when they get found out they just move on to the next piece of nonsense they come out with. Of course, they claim it's somebody else's fault when they get found out.

 

Keith Vaz, anybody? Of course he is a Remainer.

 

Of cause you were Peter.
I even asked you to clarify what you were suggesting as it was so stupid and ludicrous.
I suspect you used Google without actually looking at the meaning of what you found.

 

A majority of voters believe Britain is heading in the right direction after Brexit vote, new poll finds

The survey, conducted by pollster Lord Ashcroft between August 11-22, found 29 per cent of Remain voters believe Britain is heading in the right direction, with 71 per cent believing the opposite.

Among Leave voters, 88 per cent said Britain is on the right track, with just 12 per cent believing the UK is heading in the wrong direction.

 

So the pool is in the back garden then?....

 

I assume you're in the 12% now that it's dawned that Brexit doesn't mean mass deportation of Muslims?

 

It's in the garage.

 

Britain is on the up again! Services sector shows biggest EVER monthly rise defying gloomy predictions over the impact of the EU referendum


Brexit doom-mongers (many on not606) suffered a fresh blow today as figures showed the UK's service sector rebounding strongly.

A key survey found there was a record jump in business activity last month after a dip in the immediate aftermath of the vote to leave the EU.

The 'PMI' index for August rose to 52.9 from 47.4 in July. Economists had predicted the figure would be around 50 - which would have indicated zero growth.

 

Er...probably not, actually!

 

Best to read the whole article, Custard. Firstly, look where it rose from! And, As several economists point out, you can't really read too much into it.

The fact is that we will see lots of see-saw data between now and when the terms of Brexit become much clearer, if we haven't all died before then!....

 

Are you lot still comparing who's got the biggest cock?

 

You're right, Pete, in that I can't be bothered to trawl through 200+ pages of your tedious droning but I picked page 210 at random and you pick NSIS up on a typo. Clever guy. No doubt there are better examples but even if I had nothing to do today, locked in a white room with nothing but a laptop locked on this thread it would be a horrifically boring use of my time.

 

Theresa May says she wants Britain to be "the global leader in free trade".

"As the UK leaves the EU I've set out our ambition to be the global leader in free trade."

She revealed that an Australian trade minister would be visiting the UK this week to begin exploring the possibility of a trade deal between the two nations.

Mrs May will also lead a Cabinet meeting on Brexit and trade this week to work out which markets to prioritise.

She warned: "It's not enough to take a hands-off approach. We need bold action at home and collective action abroad."

Theresa May meets Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull at the G20 summit at Hangzhou in China, who promised her a "very strong" free trade agreement after the UK leaves the EU.

Theresa May and other world leaders have discussed the need to "civilise capitalism" amid a populist backlash against globalisation.

The Prime Minister discussed concerns about people losing trust in politics because they are not feeling the benefits of economic growth.

Theresa May has told India's Prime Minster that he is failing to do enough to take back immigrants who have overstayed in the UK.

"We want repatriation of illegal migrants," a Downing Street source said. "From our perspective an issue is to make sure we speed up the pace of returns of illegal immigrants from India."

She did not rule out giving EU migrants preferential treatment as part of any post-Brexit deal, insisting that she did not "want to give away any part of our negotiating hand".

"The voice of the British people is very clear. They wanted control. They didn’t want free movement to continue as it had done in the past. We will be going out there to deliver on that.

A Downing Street spokesman said: "One of the opportunities of Brexit is that we will be able to control the number of people coming to Britain from the EU.

The Japanese ambassador in London, Koji Tsuruoka said he had spoken with executives at leading Japanese firms in the UK and none of them wanted to pull out.

He added, "I have been talking to a number of Japanese business leaders operating in the UK and they all agree that the UK is the best place to do business in Europe. They want to continue to operate from the UK, and the list of issues we have put out to the UK as well as the EU are issues that they are seeking to achieve.

Mrs May has also held talks with Indian prime minister Narendra Modi in Hangzhou. UK officials indicated before the G20 that the meeting would focus on economic co-operation and trade.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ay-ready-to-block-boris-johnsons-point-based/

 

Indeed you are right, but my guess with Brexit it will be a light version, by the way May seems to be talking, ie no point based immigration and still pay into the EU.
Next few months will be interesting.

PS you anywhere near the forest fires?

 

I won, I manipulate my pic in Photoshop to be king dong

 

Amazing how the Torygraph only reported a tiny fraction of the detail around the Japanese words this weekend.

The Japanese government’s letter setting out its Brexit demands is deeply troubling to the UK since it is clear Japanese companies want Theresa May to negotiate a deal that leaves Britain not just in the EU customs union, and single market, but also retains a free flow of workers between the EU and the UK.
The British government could not possibly accede to these demands if May’s mantra that Brexit means Brexit is to mean anything. Yet the Japanese requests – set out in a 15-page memo – are likely to become the benchmark by which many countries with strong economic ties to the UK will judge the outcome of the talks.
Above all, the Japanese memo underlines that the UK is not only negotiating bilaterally with the EU commission and council of ministers, but with many other foreign firms that have invested in the UK, each of which is quite capable of upping sticks in the next phase of their investment cycle.
The fear for Downing Street is that other non-EU countries – under internal pressure from their business communities – will now follow the Japanese example and publicly set out the parameters of an acceptable deal from the point of view of their UK-based companies. China, for instance, is not known for its diplomatic subtlety when commercial interests are at stake. Other countries in east Asia may also make their views known.
Moreover, there is little downside for Brussels if during the talks third parties such as Japan warn the UK that unless it is flexible over the single market, consequences will follow.
The additional difficulty for May is timing. Her government is still far from united in its demands and is playing a long game by remaining studiously vague about the deal she is targeting. Bland reassurance has been May’s strategic goal so far.
The Japanese demands blow that strategy apart by being very specific. It says: “What Japanese businesses in Europe most wish to avoid is the situation in which they are unable to discern clearly the way the negotiations are going, only grasping the whole picture at the last minute. It is imperative that the outcome is free of unpleasant surprises and reducing the risks emanating from uncertainty.”
In effect Japan is trying to force the UK to show its hand, something five House of Lords EU select committees will also start to seek to achieve this week when they begin a coordinated grilling of ministers and experts across the whole Brexit field.
Nor can the UK government easily dismiss the report’s status. A working group chaired by Koichi Hagiuda, deputy chief cabinet secretary and a former aide to the prime minister, Shinzo Abe, compiled the 15-page set of demands.
Hagiuda served Abe from 2013 to 2015 as the special adviser to the president of the Liberal Democratic party and, as such, intimately represents the thinking of the Japanese government and business.
The Japanese insist they are not telling a sovereign power how to negotiate, but just defending Japanese interests. Japanese firms, after all, employ about 140,000 workers in the UK, with Nomura bank, manufacturing corporation Hitachi and carmakers Honda, Nissan and Toyota all having large bases in the country.
Nevertheless the UK government was ill-prepared for the intervention. Although the report was published in Japan on Friday and sent to Downing Street in advance of publication, its contents seem to have come as a shock on Sunday to a government expecting such lobbying to be conducted in private. May is likely to discuss the report at a meeting with Abe on Monday.
The warning in the covering letter to the UK government could not be clearer. It says: “Japanese businesses with their European headquarters in the UK may decide to transfer their head-office function to continental Europe if EU laws cease to be applicable in the UK after its withdrawal.”
In particular, the document emphasises Japanese firms fear for their future potential to export from Britain to third countries because of trade privileges within the EU single market around “rules of origin”.
“Brexit would make such products unable to meet the rules of origin as EU products, which means that Japanese companies operating in the EU would not be able to enjoy the benefit of the free trade areas concluded by the EU,” the report says.
It also calls on the UK to “maintain access to workers who are nationals of the UK or the EU,” saying the European labour market could suffer great turmoil if EU nationals could not freely travel between the UK and continental Europe.
Japanese banks will move their European HQs out of London if the Brexit negotiations fail to secure the financial services passport to operate in the EU, the report says. “If Japanese financial institutions are unable to maintain the single passport obtained in the UK, they would face difficulties in their business operations in the EU and might have to acquire corporate status within the EU anew and obtain the passport again, or to relocate their operations from the UK to existing establishments in the EU,” it says.
None of these demands are totally new, but to see them spelled out in such an ambitious way by such an important investor in the UK underlines the economic interests at stake. If those interests continue to be threatened, do not expect the normal diplomatic niceties to apply. This letter may well be the first of many warning shots.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/04/britain-japanese-brexit-letter-eu

 

It's in the full article I quoted from.

 

The Japanese, along with many others who have substantial interests in the UK, ard rightly concerned as to their future access to mainland Europe from it.

They would not depart lock stock unless absolutely necessary. But May would be a fool to ignore what amounts to a public warning from the Japanese.

I was somewhat surprised to read of this. It's very unlike the Japanese to do something like that so publicly. Normally, they far prefer discreet, behind closed doors negotiations.

It goes without saying that the Torygraph and The Grauniad would spin the situation to their own viewpoint. But, take heed, the Japanese don't do something like this lightly or without thought.

 

Send in the gunboats!