Liverpool first 11 ages

Karius 23 (mingolet 28)
Clyne 25
Moreno 24
Lovern 27
Matip 25
Henderson 26
Can 22
Lallana 28 (wijnaldum 25)
Coutinho 24
Firmino 24 (origi 22)
Mane 24

Assorted Others:
Klavan 30
Gomez 19
milner 30
stewart 22
grujic 20
lucas 29
sahko 26
ojo 19
sturridge 26
Ings 24


We have a really young team that could be the team for 5 years. Now obviously that will never occur but right now this is the FSG policy in full flow. the old fellas like lucas and milner look reallyold but would they at another club? i dunno.

The only question is the BIG ONE.... are they any bleeding good?

 

Lovren is only 27? I thought he was at least 47.

It's good they're young and will improve but each year before they get good enough the teams profile lowers.

We're not "Liverpool" anymore we're essentially Spurs. (in terms of public opinion we're not a massive team any more just upper mid table)

We've been descending into mediocrity ever since we lost Rafa.


I look at that list of players. They may all be young but as far as strikers go... You get close to your peak by 23. It's not like other positions where you improve a lot with experience... Strikers need physicality.

We're only going to remain mid table as long as we don't have a decent striker. The longer we remain mid table the harder it will be to attract the players that will make us big again.


Moreno is 24. As a defender he WILL improve with age. 3 years from now he might achieve upper mediocrity.


I refuse to be optimistic as long as we ignore the giant holes in our team and keep signing midfielders.

 

look that is not an unfair point at all. Its been that long we might as well be spurs. they never win anything.

I would argue however rafa took us from mediocrity to the cusp of being big but then it all unravelled and we went abck as others got bought out and built up. Spurs have passed us not by being bought out for mega money and that is the crux of the situation. Its not araba money or russian money denying us anything it's other clubs like spurs and west ham and southampton just being better run.

 

We've sucked for a long time primarily because of transfers.

Klopp is a good manager and I have full faith he will get the best out of this young side. A player can not surpass the potential his DNA provides though.

The players on our team today will never lift the Premier League trophy for Liverpool.

 

Milk:

LFC transfers in per year


Loris Karius £4,700,000
Joël Matip Free
Sadio Mane £34,000,000
Ragnar Klavan £4,200,000
Georginio Wijnaldum £25,000,000
Alex Manninger Free

Marko Grujić £5,100,000
Roberto Firmino £29,000,000
Joe Gomez £3,500,000
Ádám Bogdán Free
Danny Ings Tribunal
James Milner Free
Nathaniel Clyne £12,500,000
Christian Benteke £32,500,000

Emre Can £10,000,000
Rickie Lambert £4,000,000
Adam Lallana £25,000,000
Lazar Marković £20,000,000
Dejan Lovren £20,000,000
Divock Origi £10,000,000
Alberto Moreno £12,000,000
Mario Balotelli £16,000,000
Lawrence Vigouroux
Kevin Stewart

Luis Alberto £6,800,000
Iago Aspas £7,000,000
Kolo Toure Free
Simon Mignolet £10,000,000
Tiago Ilori £7,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £18,000,000

Fabio Borini £10,000,000
Joe Allen £15,000,000
Oussama Assaidi £2,300,000
Samed Yesil £1,000,000
Daniel Sturridge £12,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £8,500,000
Jordan Ibe £500,000


Jordan Henderson £16,000,000
Charlie Adam £7,000,000
Doni Free
Stewart Downing £20,000,000
Sanchez Jose Enrique £6,300,000
Sebastian Coates £7,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos Free
Villyan Bijev Signed
Danny Ward £100,000

Jonjo Shelvey £1,700,000
Milan Jovanović Free
Danny Wilson £2,000,000
Joe Cole Free
Fabio Aureilo Free
Christian Poulson £4,500,000
Brad Jones £2,300,000
Raul Meireles £11,500,000
Paul Konchesky Swap
Suso
Yusuf Mersin £450,000
Luis Suarez £23,000,000
Andrew Carroll £35,000,000



since suarez arrived.......

its not pretty so yeah we are pish at transfers. our first team has all arrived in the last 3 summer windows... bar coutinho.

there's guys there that no club should have bought and madness at times.

Klopp has added 4 total to the first team and rogers was sacked for mis using firmino and can who will be klopp picks as well.

Only henderson remains from the comolli period.

 

Interesting thing about Comoli period both with us and Spurs.

He was accused of overspending on flops but history shows his transfers made a net profit for both clubs. It's not just about money either. Spurs ressurgence started with Comoli age and the signing of Suarez almost gave us the title.

Hendrson has easily been "worth it" for us, even if he's not been his best for a while.

 

Yes inflation has made it so.

But look at the others signed. I wonder had he not buggered the suarez evra affair might he have Stayed? I just don't know with fsg if there was any plan or all just reactive.

Other than hendo and suarez the rest were pish.

Downing cost how Much?

 

Commolli was a very good scout, just a poor DOF who was overruled by Kenny.

To think, we could have had the likes of Matuidi and Aubamayang.

 

Personally, I still think we need a DOF to work with Klopp - Klopp has a fantastic CV but has always worked with a DOF to challenge him - it's what made him and Michael Zorc such a great team.

 

Sincerely doubt this.

 

I think we need it for the total club structure not just transfers.

Who hired woodgate as a scout for Spain and portugal for instance. Serious stuff

 

The transfer committee is a joke and needs to be ****ed off ASAP.

 

Which bit...

Commolli was a good scout?

A poor DoF?

He was overruled by Kenny?

We could have had Matuidi and Aubamayang?

All of the above?

 

I wouldn't say it's a joke but it needs to be headed by a DOF.

 

Fixed

 

Dunno. If you have a DoF then what's the point in having the rest of the committee? They would just be glorified scouts at best.

I've got to say the biggest problem I've got with our transfer committee is that its got Ian Ayre on, what kind of ****ing wisdom is Ian Ayre going to have on any potential new signings, like Shankly (I think) said, a director should only be at the club to sign the cheques.

Our disastrous last 7 years of transfers have coincided with having loads of people in the boardroom like Comolli, Purslow, Ayre etc. trying to get involved with transfers and the power for making transfers being taken away from the manager.

 

Over ruled by kenny dalglish part.

 

Good point.

A director of football is a bad title. A tech ical director is better. It means managing the technical staff and organisations

The rest as you say should just be scouts. They should not be telling a manager who he can and cant have


I agree on ayre and throw in gordon there too. Get the limits on total salary bill and transfer fund and let the other legal experts do the contracts etc...

Joe cole bled us dry at the tine for purslows vanity. We lost a shed load each year paying him while we went bankrupt.

They all have their vanity projects at the top.

 

To be honest when Comolli leaves the club he mentions all these players in hindsight he was trying to sign but I remember the pursuits of Wickham, Marveaux, Ashley Young etc. These would've been terrible signings and it was a blessing we didn't get them.

 

That's the thing - the committee is essentially a team of scouts that handle player recruitment from identifying targets to the finances. We just need someone to be in charge of it, and it can't be Klopp.

We're just the only idiots to give it the name 'committee' and make it publicly known.

All of the biggest clubs in the world operate using this model because managers are often replaced - so you need a structure as it will outlast the employees.

That's not to say that we've been good in the transfer market because we've been rubbish but I believe it's because we've given TOO much power to the manager. Rodgers and Kenny were both given power and both signed a lot of dross.

Klopp has always worked with a DOF and has often had fights/disagreements with Dortmund's DOF, Michael Zorc, but that was the key to their success.