The EU debate - Part II

There are more next of kin to talk to about recidivists, and the victims don't get an option of a trial.

 

Are you being obtuse or just a bit thick here?

There's 2 issues there, how offenders are released, and whether they're fit for release, and capital punishment.

One wrong execution IS too many - simple as that.

Offenders who are released and re-offend, is a totally separate discussion and by stating the former is correct, you are not automatically stating the latter is as it should be, as you're trying (and failing) to contest.

 

But offering the one death too many argument to support that is flawed.

 

No.

 

No doubt, I still put that down to the plush inside life they have. They don't care...they have a better life inside than outside.

The death of an innocent cannot be the example to them though, never. God forbid that's one of my loved ones...i wouldn't say 'oh well, my child,brother etc died for the state' to be quite frank in that case **** the state and I'd be wanting revenge.

 

But the capital punishment position is totally separate and to say 'it's ok if some innocents are killed because x kills more innocents' isn't a great argument.

Also America has the highest amount of serial killers in the world and some of the states there are some of the highest to use Capital Punishment in the world - it doesn't really deter the serial killers. Some of the fame is found in going out in a blaze of glory, or in the notoriety of the act. Some feel they'll never be caught, so never care about the possible consequences. But then everyone is different - that seems to be the one constant!

With regards to lesser crimes, then a criminal record can definitely be a major issue and really hold a person back for their whole life. But again that's a totally different conversation.

 

It's relative. The plush life inside v the perceived lack of opportunity outside. To many, prison is no deterrent, it's more a choice. They like the rules, routine and system. I know some that try to time their crimes so they can be with their mates at Christmas.

Maybe corporal punishment shold be an option?

 

Great comeback

 

Absolutely. It's drifted from the single point I was making on the 'one death too many' argument being clearly flawed, into the wider criminal justice topic, which sadly I don't think will get far with some of the contributors on here, who just see it all as adverserial

 

People don't commit serious crime in order to have Christmas in the big house ffs

We're talking about crimes that fit with capital punishment, not some dosser who fancies a roof over his head in the winter

 

A point which you spectacularly failed to prove.

 

To be honest that would be a step in the right direction for me.

 

Good job I never said they did then, eh.

 

QED

 

We had it at school, and it stopped others joining in, and taught the rest that there were consequences to their actions.

That said, the most controlled lessons were with teachers that I never saw use a cane. They had a way about them. They could cut you with a word.

It's a cliché, but old school bobbies had personalities that could command respect. Changes in how they operate, mean that the sort of people that would be good at the job, don't feel inclined to apply. We're also loosing the community spirit and identity that set boundaries of acceptability.

 

No mate.

6 months in the nick or 3 and a good slapping with a stick?

Behave

 

You can't just have a word and give a stern look to a criminal and think that will have a desired effect though.

Whoop their arses.

However first things first.....sort the dirty screws out.

 

I was acutally going to edit it to say just that, but got distracted. I didn't half start to ramble on, but deleted it.

 

I was thinking 6 months and a good slapping. Then again it does still raise the question of some innocent bloke getting the slapping.

Tough one to be fair...but I think I could get over a beating...not death.

 

Funny as in our school we never had the cane, but one teacher - the gym teacher used to punch the kids - it had the opposite effect he wanted though and i had zero respect for him and just used to go behind his back instead or ignore him. Other teachers i had total respect for/of and others i was scared of never raised a hand to me or some a voice at me/us