We must know players are coming in or surely this wouldn't have been authorised. If we get nobody in I can see Moysy walking and SAFC well and truly F*CKED.
We have competition now for Iborra, so will that deal go ahead now, if not Snodgrass would do a great job. Villa putting in a £20m bid in for a Hull player !, what is happening with these fees ?
I'm sure it's going to get very busy in the next couple of days. But I'm not sure why you'd be disturbed by signing McNair. He's already proved himself at Utd, he'll be a great player for us. Love is a work in progress, but at a mill, a good gamble considering the academy he grew up in.
No one will be released before signings are confirmed. That has to be a given. That's how it works the last few days of the window. Especially so given the threadbare squad we have. I'm pretty confident, based on nothing but hope and a new manager, that the back office are working their arses off getting the players in, in key positions, that Moyesy wants. Faith's a bugger ain't it.
A loan could work for us on this one. Get a decent loan fee for a season, hope he does really well then get a few clubs bidding for a full transfer which should be a higher fee in the end. Getting max value would be sensible. Remember a permanent deal would have structured payments over the lifetime of the contract so its not like we would be getting all the money up front anyway.
Sounds good in theory LiV but we need players IN before we can let anybody go. Jim White may as well do the SSN Deadline day show from the AoL cos he's gonna be there that often.................. I hope.
I wonder what brought Advocaat out of retirement after leaving us in a state? Maybe these two deserve each other as only the Dutch can.
He didn't leave us in a state imo, The state wasn't his doing, He wasn't backed and didn't think he could keep us up. Without that January window I don't believe. Allardyce would have either. Only thing I could ever knock about Advocate was his lack of attention to fitness.
just a reminder: http://www.skysports.com/football/n...rdyce-tells-jeremain-lens-show-me-your-talent he can **** off andctake a good luck at himself, as opposed to claiming he's been 'pushed'. go break a leg, yer lazy twat - but not until we sell you!
We could debate the point about backing forever which isn't really the point I was making but his acquisitions. Lens Toivonen etc straight from the Dutch league at the asking price and Toivonen especially was played when he was patently unfit. His tactics of trying to play continental style football was our problem.
We wouldn't even have been targeting the likes of Ola on loan if we had the budget. He delived that of a budget signing, because he was a budget signing made the last day of the window. Sam lost 8 out of his first 12 games. That wasn't down to a Continental style football, it was down to the ****e squad. Acknowledged by both Big Sam and Dick themselves when they both publicly stated in a desperate plea to our chairman that the squad will go down without investment. Scapegoating to protect our precious Ellis this seems. All ways somebody else to blame every time it goes wrong. Never the constant.
I am well aware of your stance about ES but DA said he could not sign the players he wanted, but no specific reason was given and was interpreted that he had no budget. Micky Gray took up the call and was shot down with the joint explanation that both DA and ES gave. Press speculation, misinterpretation both led to ES issuing his personal statement about finances. SA got funding in January but most people chose to put that down to ES protecting his investment etc. rather than backing Sam's plan. We are still in those realms about club spending but there is still no proof positive that ES will not provide funding so long as it is wisely spent.
In the past few years you've actually had some managers who have done it elsewhere. Advocaat and Allardyce enhanced their reputations but I'd add that Di Canio and Poyet both engineered escapes from relegation only to then have recruitment issues in the summer and struggle. Di Canio in particular was hung out to dry by the powers that be. O'Neill, in fairness, did spunk some money on par players at best and perhaps caused Ellis to go into his shell a touch. If there's not at least a defender, a midfielder and a striker brought in then you're one injury away from huge holes in your team. I think they'll be brought in but yet again a case of funding the 'bare minimum' rather than pushing on.
Think we'll know very soon. He made a big song and dance about how he'd wanted Moyes for so long so surely he's going to back him with a bit of spend - if that doesn't happen I can't see Moyes not making some comment about it, he's been unnervingly candid so far.
Martin O'Neil was an absolute disaster, for us. I'm glad he never hung about much longer. He wasted a lot of money on ****e and I firmly believe he has hammered this club more than anybody else.
As you said you're well aware on my stance so there's nowt else for me to say. No offence meant but as some people have pointed out on Tees thread there's a lot of going in circles on the board at the moment so with respect I'll step back from the discussion my friend.
He's already said we need to accept a relegation battle and referenced spending limitations. Did so in the Shrewsbery Press conference and after the boro game. Can't post vids from the club website. He said there's no point lying and said it how it is. http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport...id-moyes-relegation-battle-comments-1-8081872
Have you forgotten that we had an international centre half lined up but he pulled out at the last minute- funding there. Fer failed a medical - funding there. Had we made those signings in addition to Lens then DA could have spend approx 40-50mil. Decent funding in anybody's book. DiCanio was his own worst enemy but too arrogant or dim to see it and his mate DiFanti helped.
