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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by PINKIE, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. TheBear

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    Na doesn't really add up considering that the EPL sides were doing better in Europe back then than they are now.

    The other issue is that Mourinho has basically had an unlimited budget at Chelsea, Real and United. Porto is the only real example of him 'building' a squad and most of that team was inherited

    Great tactician but without money Mourinho is mediocre..
     
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  2. StanDMan

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    Unparalleled Money - Other consistent factor in Fergie's long tenure.
     
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  3. TheBear

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    £883.8m - The amount Mourinho has spent on players since 2004. (More than any other manager.)
     
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    That's probably more than Aberdeen have spent in their entire existence multiplied by a fair bit!
     
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    It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if he has spent more than each uk club has in their history with the exception of City, United, Chelsea and pool. Think I remember reading that those are the 4 clubs to have spent over £1b in their history. No one else had gone over £700m.
     
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  6. StanDMan

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    Total Bullshit and this is not accurate.

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...madrid-have-spent-300m-more-on-transfers-than

    Compare the net spending of Barca & Real in last 10 years.

    Real spent 250 Million Euros in 2009 alone.

    Jose's net spent during his time in Spain is NOTHING virtually FFS <doh>
    Jose's third title with Us - Jose spent less than Manu & City. Nobody talks about that.

    Here is the run down of the Market in last 5 years as of 2015. Did Jose spent all these??

    1 - Manchester City €628.25M : 5 trophies - Premier League (2 times), FA Cup, Community Shield, League Cup

    2 - Chelsea €609.85M : 5 trophies - Premier League, Champions league, Europa League, FA Cup, League Cup

    3 - Manchester United €534.86M : 4 trophies - Premier League (2 times), 2 Community Shields

    4 - Real Madrid €522.5M : 7 trophies - La Liga, Champions league, 2 CDRs, Supercopa de Espana, UEFA Super Cup, FIFA Club WC

    5 - Barcelona €479M : 12 trophies - La Liga (3 times), 2 Champions leagues, 3 Supercopas de Espana, FIFA Club WC, UEFA Super Cup, 2 CDRs

    6 - PSG €470.95M : 8 trophies - Ligue 1 (3 times), 2 Coupe de La Ligue, 2 Trophée des champions, Coupe de France

    7 - Liverpool €437.94M : 1 trophy - League Cup (sorry)

    8 - Juventus €400.83M : 6 trophies - Serie A (4 times), Supercoppa, Coppa Italia
     
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  7. TheBear

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    None of that disproves what I said.

    We were not talking about overall Club spending. We are talking about what individual managers spend. Mourinho bounces between Clubs every 2-3 years.

    Jose Mourinho has always needed a massive 'war chest' – and his £100million move for Paul Pogba takes his career spending over the £880m mark.
    On top of Pogba he has flashed the cash to bring in Eric Bailly (£30m from Villarreal) and Henrikh Mkhitaryan (£26m from Borussia Dortmund), while also recruiting Zlatan Ibrahimovic on a free transfer.

    Mourinho first arrived in England in 2004, armed with Roman Abramovich’s chequebook, and spent £81.2m in his first season in the Premier League.
    (On an squad that had already cost a considerable amount)

    That would be followed up by more big spending in his three subsequent summers in west London, with a total outlay of £219.8m before his sacking in September 2007.

    At Inter Milan Mourinho was more restrained but still broke the £100m barrier over two seasons with Samuel Eto’o, at £17.2m, his most-expensive purchase.

    At Madrid he signed Luka Modric for £33m signing from Tottenham having earlier bought Angel Di Maria for £20.9m and Fabio Coentrao for £26.5m.
     
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  8. Diego

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    So does his £89m purchase of Pogba keep it below the £880m mark?
     
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  10. Diego

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    It would be interesting to see a total breakdown including players that were sold under his tenure. Does the aforementioned figure include players being sold?

    I'm not trying to defend him as he clearly benefits from a generous transfer kitty wherever he goes, but aren't the most successful managers in the game right now buying success? Other than Leicester's recent success, all the top teams have spent to get success. Even Arsenal were able to grab two FA cups after spending money on Ozil and co and they weren't cheap. Our recent transfer activity has totalled over £100m so that too is serious money.
     
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    the lists not even including transfer fees during porto time which another £16.5m *** **** which make it £900m

    ok let us agree main competitions are league and CL (and not national cups or even world club cup, we can do that too and Jose still win)

    so with this 8 league titles .. 2 CL titles.. that is about £90m spend for each title Jose win
    AW win 3 league titles over his managerial career (not counting 1 title he win in 8 seasons with Monaco bcz there is simply no records and he bought some good players; ex: klinsmann for 5.9m) ..and he spend total £575.89m * **.. that is £192m spend for each title AW win
    and if we counted since 2004 when Jose came to PL .. well all AW money spend gone to the drain unless you consider 4th place as a trophy ;)

    now let us count it per season and take out 6 seasons out of his 20 years in Arsneal, which is 30% less out of that £575.89m to make both Jose and AW equal for 14 seasons average.. that bring AW average spending £403.1m, that is still £134.37m spend for each title AW win

    so efficiency wise, Jose beat AW all the way


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    * http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ding-year-by-year-under-arsene-wenger/page/18
    ** http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-arsenal/alletransfers/verein/11
    ***http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-porto/transfers/verein/720/saison_id/2003
    ****http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-porto/transfers/verein/720/saison_id/2002
     
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  13. TheBear

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    "United said Pogba had signed a five-year contract but did not give the cost which British media have put at £89 million ($116.4 million, 105 million euros), not including agent's fee."

    Raiola is claiming to have made 20 million Euros in the deal. Which would in fact put the total outlay at around £100m
     
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    Man United paid £0 agent fees
     
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  15. Diego

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    Nice try, we are talking £s and how much is paid for a players transfer, Whatever deal agents have with the selling club is between them and is unrelated to the cost of the player.
     
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  16. Bodinki

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    Football fans from years ago would be turning in their graves to see the 21st Century football fans.
    Bickering over which manager has the most efficient spend to trophy ratio.
    Someone will bring up net spend in a minute and take it to that next level
     
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  17. Diego

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    Doesn't suit the agenda :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  18. theevilreddevil

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    Chelsea fans were doing that a few seasons ago, then they ran out of players to sell
     
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  19. Bodinki

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    More importantly, who gives a ****?
    Its another page from the book of ****ty football comebacks.
    Your team gets beat? "Well they spent x amount more than us"......
    Talk about killing the spirit of the game.

    Football fans have gone from junior psychos to junior accountants in the space of the last 30 years.
     
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  20. Bodinki

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    One in particular mate.
    And it was just as cringeworthy coming from him as anyone else.
    If someone is a dick, they are a dick, regardless of football affiliations.
     
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