The EU debate - Part II

Every crumb is jumped on as a sign everything's going great. As the public are so far unaffected it's not really a surprise.
Where the property hit is at the moment is in the commercial sector.
https://www.ft.com/content/52845f6c-6952-11e6-ae5b-a7cc5dd5a28c

 

Wonder how many people would like to see a drop in property prices?..........

 

I do not have time to read the last 15 pages. Can someone update me. Has pete got another kitchen? Has Custard found a verifiable fact yet. Has anybody had a 'straightener'? Has God's Cock discovered he has a sexually transmitted disease. If someone could give me a 'previously on the EU debate' type of summary I would be grateful. Thank you in advance

 

Tobes is a lefty tosser....... and there's a braindead yid on the beach

 

And a fat Chav sitting in his piss stained chair at home...

 

Nope, you'll always be a cock.

 

In your first response, you pleaded ignorance and acted like the words were not very well known to you. You told an, admittedly, reasonably funny joke about Scrabble, and then moved on.

Your second response came after I asked @NowsufferinginSpain to Google the words himself, that's when you suddenly decided to jump back in and outline that these words were just Shia terms, not to be taken seriously and that these words aren't in Islamic law (Sharia...), this is always the first protocol of defence for Muslims when asked about these words. You then left a defamatory comment about me and decided to go on you way again, thinking you had done enough to stop the kuffar from asking any questions and arising too much suspicion.

Your third response practically consists of nothing, it is just a story about how Shias and Sunnis came to pass, nothing relevant to Islamic deception tactics and nothing more than you deflecting.

For those who are unaware of these words, I will list them with their meanings and provide examples of their use in the Quran (the words of Allah) and the Sunna (the teachings and actions of Muhammad).

Taqiyya - Dissimulation (concealing or disguising your beliefs when in danger physically or mentally)

Tawriya - Creative lying (the use of ambiguities)

Kitman - Lying by omission (leaving out information)

Muruna - Flexibility (blending in with the enemy in order to advance Islam)

Examples in the Quran:-
16:106, 3:28, 9:3, 40:28, 2:225, 3:54, 8:30, 10:21

Examples in the Sunna:-
Sahih Bukhari (52:269, 49:857, 84:64-65, 50:369), Sahih Muslim (32:6306)

As you can see, I am already 'on it'.

 

The words are not very well known to me. The fact that your trying to force me into submission by second guessing my thoughts on this might convince many, but I know lad that you are on your crusade....so let's go...Go on then...don't give me chapter numbers..give me quotes and in context.

Don't give me Sahih Bukari...give me the quote in its full context from Sahih Bukhari.

I want examples.

My third response consists of explaining the fundamental reasons as to why Shia and Sunni came about because that is what created the branching off and different laws. The ones that you get confused about.

You can come at me all you want mate...I put folk like you to bed 20+ years ago in what I regard as novice debates. Reason? Because like the Shia...you also have decided to play the word isolation game which throws off the ones that don't know much.

So go on...I'm not hiding...give me the examples.

Your far from on it. Your insecurities have seen to that.

 

What a complete dick!

Only an arrogant idiot would try to lecture a committed Muslim on Islamic law!

 

I'm all for learning and being corrected Spaniard. Zlatan is an amateur who's just found a new toy. I'm happy to play with him when he is ready.

 

You do know there are examples of lying and deceit in the Christian bible don't you?
You do also realise that there are other parts of the Quran that abhor lying and deceit?
This is the crux of it, neither the Bible or the Quran are in anyway true or representative of their founders, they are a collection of stories written many years afterwards by the culture of the time and then attributed back. Most of the books of the new testament were written 80-90 years after Jesus if you allow for the roman balls up of the years and which books made the final cut wasn't decided until the 4th century. The Quarn wasn't formalised until 20 years after his death and is claimed to have been gathered from a collection of 48 different scholars. Both are clearly examples of stories passed down before being set in stone years after the event.

I'm going to lay my cards on the table here. All religions are a bunch of fictitious fables designed to give power to the few and control the masses. They are a tool for making one human believe he is better than another whilst in reality they are one and the same with only their cultural upbringing making them different. There are plenty of Christian beliefs and teachings that are anti gays, anti women, anti science if you get into creationists and the bible belt nutters who sent death threats because a woman sang 'what if god was one of us' for me to claim any religious person throwing stones at another religion for what it preaches is living in a glass house and should seriously think again.

In short I respect all cultures even if they don't conform to my moral code. I expect the same in return so any Muslim who comes to this country should be expected to abide by the laws of this country before the laws of their religion and the proliferation of free religious schools should cease with religion removed from the education system altogether. It is the only way that children of differing race, religion and culture will grow up with a tolerance and understanding of each other.

Rant over

 

There is something else at play here as well. I've spoken to muslims who tell me this. Firstly, they always cringe when some radical nut (like Anjem Choudhary) gets any oxygen in the media. But regarding your first point, there's also a perception of double standards and I hear this a lot. They see persecution of muslims in places like Palestine/Israel, Chechnya, Burma etc and at best, nobody seems bothers, at worst they condone & even support it.

The more hot-headed irrational muslim will refuse to "side with westerners" (no matter how abhorrent they find the terrorist attrocities) because their sole focus is on the belief we don't support them or speak out against attrocities towards them. The more level-headed, rational muslims will protest against terrorism, but still have an underlying disconnect with western governments when it comes to their perceived double-standard approach to the persecutions I've mentioned above. That disconnect I think still has the potential to prevent further integration, and everytime we see another Gaza conflict, or a wedding party gets bombed near Kabul or Baghdad, it's picking away at the scab.

I know that's not addressing the media angle, which I think Spurlock responded to, but I wanted to address my experience of speaking with muslims on their public condemnation of terrorism and how they feel about it. To them everything is interlinked, something the rest of us I don't think relate to.

 

Far more articulate than any way I could have put, but exactly!...

 

Spot on Trebs. Absolutely how it is.

 

@ZLATAN

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According to Zoopla my house has lost £67,000 since the rederedum you docile bell end

 

An ex head hunter wannabe sits in his piss stained Y fronts, alone iwith only his a bigoted little pea brain to keep him company

He's a man who worked with his hands

 

Haha some racist little spotty history student, preaching about Islam to a Muslim

What a prize prick

 

Mines lost **** all mate..... decent tory heartland,in the beautiful south of England