The EU debate - Part II

You keep avoiding the question and changing the topics, everyone can see it. You've made a fool of yourself.

 

Recent research has shown that the anointing oils used by very early Christians and probably Jesus used a substance called kaneh-bosem which is a potent form of canabis oil.

Does that make Jesus immoral?

 

It's called a logical fallacy.

 

As you are already an acknowledged expert in the art of making a complete tool out of yourself, I think you might do better to call it a night!

 

Hahahahaha sure I have.

I've tied you in knots you small minded bigot, you've had nothing to respond with that challenged anything I said.

 

I think there's a difference between smoking cannabis to alter your state of mind and using cannabis as an ingredient in an externally used oil.

 

It's called his life experience

 

Btw why the **** have you still got the username Zlatan when he plays for United and you're a Gooner you daft twat?

 

For myself, all I can do is assume at this point, you won't say that your ideology is better than Nazi ideology, so I guess you must be okay with Nazis.

 

Well my life experience is seeing a truck plough through a crowd of people on a promenade, the driver of the truck was a Muslim, does that mean that all Muslims are terrorists? Can you see how anecdotal evidence works now?

 

Answer my question and I'll tell you.

 

I've told you already, you're not clever enough.

Given we live in the present the comparison can only be with Neo Nazis, the far right racist ****s, who try and spread race hate and intolerance. Do I think that my personal ideals are superior to theirs, yes I ****ing do.

 

Your 'personal' experience? Really? There were you?

Not that it has any relevance to the entirety of Islam, you racist prick

 

I'm afraid it doesn't really matter how you get it into your bloodstream. Indeed many of the claims of curing ailments and the suggestion that people felt euphoria after being anointed can be traced to the ingredients of the oil.

 

Come off it, meh...no it's not.

Shia law is almost exclusive to Iranians and some surrounding nations like Iraq where people of Persian origin reside.

Shia's don't share the same fundamentals as Sunni Muslims. If you bothered to actually learn about the whole concept of Shia belief you would see that they are worlds apart from Sunni Islam. Sunni's and Shias have been in conflict for over a 1000 years, due to Islamic politics. It all started off once upon a time after the passing of Mohammed. There were some of his disciples that believed the next leader of Islam should be someone from the bloodline of Mohammed. Yet Mohammed himself had said that the 'best of men after me is the one that is best in deeds not lineage'. This caused the initial conflict where the disciples branched off into 2 different interpretations of the same laws. A 1000 plus years of this ideology evolving has resulted in concrete differentials between Shia and Sunni.

The word 'Sunni' derives from the Arabic 'Sunnah' which means 'way of life'. Those that stuck to the words of Mohammed became known as Sunnis. Those that reinterprated them became known as 'Shias'.

I'll simplify it for you. Spurs and Arsenal are two football teams, both from London. Both fundamentally do the same thing I.e play football. However as you and I know....we are still worlds apart on so many fronts when it comes to football politics.

I don't need to come off anything, it's you who needs to get on it.

 

I can see there's a bit of a "debate" going on, but I hope you take this the right way.

I mentioned earlier to Tobes that I used to criticise Muslims for not openly condemning the extremists, but I've since looked harder and realised that I was wrong. There have been a number of displays of opposition, and there are also groups such as Northern Alliance and others that are at the forefront of the battles.

What I can't understand is why the main stream media don't publicise such things more, as I believe it would help reduce the grip of the extremists and promote more tolerance if people see that we're all opposing the extremists. I also think it would encourage more muslims to openly distance themselves from the extremists, and join demonstrations.

I also don't believe that there's enough proper journalism on the suffering caused in the affected regions, and the contribution of the west to that.

Do you think I'm right in that view, and if so, do you have an opinion on why the coverage is seemingly so biased?

 

You ask the same question a lot of everyday Muslims ask. On the one hand we have this, what you have described. On the other hand we have ISIS who have killed more Muslims than non Muslims. Therefore we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

For me and what I have had to evaluate since the first Iraq war (I was 15) is that the media is agenda driven by those that run it from 'upstairs'. I rarely go into this kind of stuff because it's easy to be accused of paranoia and being a conspiracy theorist because it sounds far fetched. Media is a propaganda machine which moulds the thoughts of whole generations. This is fundamental if the West is to drain the last bit of oil from the Middle East because hey we need a legitimate reason (to satisfy the simpletons of the public) before War is waged.

 

I posted this link to a book I read on a thread on our board, I found it a decent read. It certainly gave me food for thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_A...ng_Your_Mind_from_the_Delusions_of_Propaganda

 

Chomsky knows his stuff. I was taught about propaganda whilst doing my GCSE's. How the media on both sides (Hitler/Allies) were absolutely crucial in getting the public on side. They both can't have been right, yet they both had the backing of the majority of their 'everyday people'. Such a simple strategy to execute but by god does it work thanks to the sheeple.

 

Must just be you mate. I find Londoners to be quite a sociable bunch, Noo Yawkas also.

Of course, if you speak very slowly and keep asking daft questions about Ly-cester Square, no one will have much time for you as everyone's in a bit of a rush. But wake yourself up, look a bit lively, and you'll be fine.