The EU debate - Part II

Isn't the interviewer showing some ignorance of the status of the old and new testaments?

EDIT..Even knuckle draggers see through those tricks.

 

Sorry, what race is Islam?

 

Not at all, but the story is that Allah passed it on to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel, and he then went on to teach it verbally to people.

 

I don't vote Tory.

 

I haven't kept up with the conversation at all but it seems acceptance of refugees of Islamic religious persuasion from worn torn countries in the Middle East is the current subject matter?

My personal opinion is rather split.

I think it's clear that the world can't just sit back and watch some of the atrocities that are taking place and military intervention from all different sides, not just the west, has lead to even further violence and disruption to ordinary people who just want to live a safe life.

I do think the global community has a responsibility to give safe refuge to some of the most needy from these areas.

On the other hand I also understand the concerns about terrorism in regards to the waves of people entering Europe from the Middle East. It is known that terrorists have used this as a way of entering the continent, terrorist groups have openly said they will and are doing it and I think it's clear that it is an opportunity for people who might otherwise find it more difficult to gain entry, to get into Europe.

I don't think the answer is just to take everyone who gets to Europe. In fact I think we should help to establish well funded and UN policed refugee centres outside of Europe and process people from there, vet them as well as possible and then take the most vulnerable and move them to safety in Europe and other countries around the world. Anyone who arrives in Europe illegally should be taken back to one of these locations for processing. Anyone who enters the UK from France should automatically be deported and refused any future legal entry.

We need to stop the way in which this mass migration is occurring but at the same time help provide an alternative method to help those who genuinely need it.

For this method to work however the refugee camps can't be impoverished ghettos where radicalisation can occur. They need to be well funded, well policed and have a sense of hope.

 

Yes, but don't let it get in the way of a good Christian lynching now, you'll spoil all of the fun.

 

Not a lynching just highlighting how out of date and out of touch all religious text is to the current day regardless of religion.
What they say we should do and the morality of religious people today bare no relation but if an idiot wants to go back to the ancient decrees to persecute gays, blacks and other religions then it's not hard to find.

 

What, like most European countries?

 

I think you're showing the video creator and your own lack of understanding of the context of those texts.

 

Using the Old Testament to try and take the flak away from Islam is nothing but a specious argument.

 

Which European country has consistently sought to destroy every thing that has no alignment with them?

 

Lichtenstein. They failed before they started when they realised they didn't have room for all the prisoners they'd take.

 

I think there is a huge spectrum of religious following and as religions move into a more modern era of economic development, political freedom and diverse societies, they break further and further from strict rules and following of outdated scripture and become more and more a set of morals, general principles, a source of comfort and form of social gathering.

For me the natural evolution of religion is a move from a form of control and indoctrination of those who often, though not always lack understanding in certain areas, to a collective who consciously chose to be a part of something for a shared goal of moral decision making and goodness within society beyond the actual belief at the heart of religion, though that collective feeling will most likely maintain the core belief.

As it stands today though there is a huge gap between the religious beliefs of one set of Christians and another, one set of Muslims and another etc... From person to person, community to community, society to society. Different economic positions, different cultural pressures, geographic locations and so many factors effect how someone views religion and how they will act in regard to it.

Religion is both to blame and not to blame, to praise and not to praise in so many situations. It's far too complicated a subject which overlaps with so many other factors to put any definites on it as a whole, or on individual religions.

While I personally do not believe in any particular religion and think it has been the cause of a huge amount of destruction and death within the world (so have plenty of other things and as humans we seem to find ways and reasons to destroy each other), I also see why it brings comfort to so many people and the good that has been done in the name of religion.

I think ultimately it is something we will move away from. Hopefully in pursuit of a society that is based on a shared set of morals and human empathy because that is what we have socially evolved to believe in, rather than due to a belief in a higher power.

 

What do you think the British Empire was founded by, boy scouts and peace loving missionaries? Mate, we've been sailing the seven seas kicking crap out of anyone we came across since long before Walter Raleigh was executed for piracy.

 

It's sometimes revealing to look at where people start their history from.

The Romans knew we were here from tales from Africans that had sailed here collecting slaves for years before.

 

Isn't it a bit disingenuous to say it was Islam that was war mongering when the Christians waged several holy wars against them and they got battered by the Moguls?

 

Consistently over the last 1400 years like Islam?

 

Not as disingenuous as thinking there was no precursor to the crusades. This is why I make the point of consistency over the last 1400 years...

 

Why are you trying to compare a religion to countries, most of which have only existed for 200-300 years and were once part of the holy roman empire?

 

I didn't make the comparison, someone else did.