I think they worked for pulling people together and feeling involved, but what specifically did the protests change? The initial; name change was stopped by the prem committee, with support from the CTWD document. Had the Allams offered a better case, it could have gone through. The name is still bastardised where it can be. We still have the membership scheme and limited concessions. Protests have their place, but need to be part of a wider campaign, or they can polarise positions and become part of the problem.
It could have changed with the protest too. The clincher was the poor case the Allams offered in support of it.
I think you underestimate the influence of the campaign Dutch. The campaign convinced large number of City supporters that the name change was all about the Council and had nothing to do with selling the Tigers in Asia. This had an effect on the FA Council who were expecting a more substantial justification for the change then they got. Add in the ballot and the failure to get a significant majority for the change and the result was a resounding no. Yes, the submission was poor but the bar they had to reach to get the name change through had been raised significantly by CTWD.
I get that, but I have to say that if it wasn't for the backstory, IMO, the badge would be fine. Internationally we should be know as "The Tigers" or "Hull City" and whilst some know of us, its only because we have played the bigger brands (I mean clubs). As supporters we have along hard journey ahead of us, no matter what the badge looks like. I don't know what the future holds for us yet, I hope that we will enter a period of time that is remembered for supporter involvement.
I think you're helping make my point. It was a coordinated approach, for which the protest played a part, that stopped the change becoming official.
Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. I think the campaign was easier because the people making the decision weren't part of the club. The concessions is more complicated because we need to overcome the economic arguments for their abolition. The argument for their re-introduction also needs to take account of what has happened in the rest of the Premier League since the 1970s with some clubs offering very limited concessions compared to their ground capacity.
Absolutely; the supporters have to be so careful to not be insistent idiots. A sale is huge. Everything else should be given the grace of time and tolerance. Demands should be non-existent; it has to be honesty and patience. Give them - HCST - the same tolerance as everyone else; this is going to take time, but it really will be worth it.
Not really not everyone likes everything so there will always be people who protest about one thing or another,you protest about these changes others protest there are no changes not everyone is always going to be happy or be right or wrong.
Indeed. I will say however that when you have to be confrontational to combat a VERY confrontational owner then it can be hard to temper yourself if the changes aren't immediate. I will say that much as the supporters need to give new owners time, the new owners need to realise that they have a very pissed off fan base to deal with.
My grammar is terrible mate, school was a long time ago and i was bad then too...... its a first been corrected by a greengrocer though!! Keep checking my posts maybe you can educate me??!
I understand your point of view; perhaps I should have done the same for that of the Allams, too, as they share some qualities.
I'm rather hoping that the new owners won't really need convincing about anything and will simply apply some common sense.
I think you have to couple this with the arrogance they bestowed upon those who they needed support from; their ability to self-indulge and self-harm, in equal measure, is what sets them apart as successful fools.
My position regarding the protest has always been clear, I advocated a more severe, non-collaborative approach from the outset, some years ago now. But I am not inflexible in that mindset, there must be an easing of insistence from supporters . The club is a business and we are customers, if that is unpalatable for some then that is simply unfortunate. I want to see a period of reflection, we have what we have, for now. Let's focus on allowing a good, well considered business plan to be put together; early supporter consultation is a priority, as I said in my 'priorities ' post. Pissed off fans need to turn the new corner with everyone else.
