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The EU debate - Part II

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by PINKIE, Jul 19, 2016.

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  1. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    But as we are the same nation, it was simply who has the most votes wins, democracy has been served.
     
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    Most Scots would dispute that we are the same nation.

    And, if you read what I posted its rule of the majority
     
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  3. Stan

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    <laugh>

    That's a good conversation on Planet Klan!

    I was at the races. Sorry I missed your afternoon of fun Kustard!
     
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    It is undemocratic because people voted for by 25% of the electorate are dictating to the other 75%. Simple really so even you should be able to understand.
     
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    29% of population?
    why should they dominate?
     
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    How does that work? Scotland vote to remain; England votes to leave - what's the solution? Decide on votes overall? Yes we did. Democracy in action.
    You can't take a part of the population and say they have to have what they want.
    What you are suggesting is total nonsense.
    Only fools would suggest that there is a better way yet not be able to say what it is.
     
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    So what is your solution?
     
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    Most Scots who voted wanted us to be part of the same nation.
     
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    Most Scots voted for what they thought was best for their financial future. It was a decision made out of pure self interest.

    Don't kid yourself that they have any love for the English, or its 'United' kingdom!...
     
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    You either haven't taken time to read what I've written. Or you're too dense to understand it!

    Which is it?...
     
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    I just explained that.

    By their financial size and muscle!...
     
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    Pro-Remainers JP Morgan NOW forecasts FTSE 100 will outstrip rivals
    IT was one of the harbingers of post-Brexit economic doom – but now JP Morgan has admitted UK shares will prosper after the EU referendum.
     
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    Have you given up posting the actual links when you're cutting and pasting from your favourite scared old women newspapers, The Mail and The Express?

    Out of interest, why, as a 45 year old man, do you read papers that are targeted at old ladies who are still mourning the death of Princess Diana?

    A weak pound will help a lot of companies in the FTSE100, especially the foreign ones. That's been explained to you countless times. It won't help you or increase your benefits.
     
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    The most obvious solution is the introduction of PR, coupled with a radical reorganisation of government to allow for regional autonomy in many of the functions currently carried out by the central authority and overhaul of the tax system so that more tax money is directly sent to to those regions. It would, however, require an understanding of the principle of subsidiarity. This appears to be beyond the capabilities of the majority of the population, due in no small part to the lies fed to them by the British media.
     
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    Moron Party policies: "If one person votes a different way to the majority the majority vote shouldn't win", "If one household votes a different way to the majority the majority vote shouldn't win", "If one street votes a different way to the majority the majority vote shouldn't win", "If one town votes a different way to the majority the majority vote shouldn't win", "If one county votes a different way to the majority the majority vote shouldn't win" and "If one region votes a different way to the majority the majority vote shouldn't win".
    Sensible Party policy: "The majority vote wins".
    More Moron Party policies: "One person one vote is not democratic enough for the EU it should be decided on financial size and muscle"
    Sensible Party policy: "The EU is not democratic therefore the UK must leave the EU.
     
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    Will PR be any better as other countries use it and its always a hung parliament?
     
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    The country voted 2-1 against changing the voting system in the referendum, so I don't see any appetite. I am not in favour of PR but I am in favour of using the transferable vote. I also agree with you about regional autonomy but it has to be done in a logical way. The country parliaments have certain responsibilities, regional parliaments have certain responsibilities and further responsibilities are devolved as far as sensible. I would have been more in favour of the EU if they had wanted a more democratic and regionalised government but they wanted a government too centralised with non-elected officials with power.
     
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    Well something I agree on at last after 95 pages of absolute boring drivel. 'Yes all parliaments should be hung'<applause>
     
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    Pete, you're the moron!...

    Look up the true meaning of the word democracy, not your misunderstanding of it. Preferably before you go spouting off again!..
     
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    That's true, to an extent. What usually happens is that it produces a coalition Gvt. Sometimes formed of several parties. Almost inevitable result is disagreement, vote of no confidence, followed by another GE. I think at one stage Italyhad had as many Gvts as there'd been years since the war!

    What we have, a Majocracy for want of a better word, is far from perfect and it's not democracy in its true sense - despite what two kitchens thinks - but it's the best we can do - for now!....
     
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