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  1. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Work it out for yourself ya plum. You have the spare toes.
     
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    password invalid Well-Known Member

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    no spares as you can see th (34).jpg
     
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  3. Treble

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    £89,000,000 at a cost of say, £50 a shirt/mercchandise for argument's sake... is roughly 2 million Pogba shirts/merchandise sold. Is that realistic? Bear in mind everyone outside the UK and Europe will be buying a fake.

    A decade ago, our shirt prices and merchandise was roughly the same as it is now. No way we would've spent £89m on a player back then. What's changed is the revenue from TV income and sponsorship. Massive increases (just one sponsorship deal is £75m a year for 10 years and the club has loads of sponsors). That's what United are counting on.
     
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  4. Brian Storm

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    Well considering they made £76million worth of Zaltan's shirt sales in the first week(Which will help fund the Pogba transfer in itself) Yes I think it's realistic. Man U's revenue capabilities simply dwarf everybody elses.
     
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  5. Treble

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    Did they? I've just had to look that up... and it was reported in The Sun which I wouldn't necessarily back as a good source. I agree United's revenue dwarfs everybody else's but there's only so may shirts they can sell surely! 2 million shirts? I don't see how but I accept I may be being a bit naive here.

    As for the original question, I think it's the overall spend people should look at. Put it this way, if United spent £100m on 5 players over the summer, nobody would bat an eyelid. But spend it on 1 player and it's considered obscene. I think the better argument is to say that a lot of clubs now spending hundreds of millions is getting ridiculous. But considering EVERY club is getting obscene amounts from this new TV deal, maybe they ALL have a bit a more clout than they used to?
     
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    password invalid Well-Known Member

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    dont forget the two dozen shirts which will be sold to supporters from manchester th (36).jpg
     
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  7. Brian Storm

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    There's no doubt for me shirt sales on those to players will help balance the season's books for them. They're riddled with debt true but it's not worth batting an eyelid with hat sort of money coming in. Wages on the other hand. Bit more complicated and harder to explain(I can't) as they'll eclipse the transfer fees. Even breaking records, fees a petty pennies compared to wage bills these days.
     
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    76m in shirt sales, in one week, for one player. I think that is absolutely ridiculous.

    Like Treble though, I might be naive to this.
     
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  9. Treble

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    Our debts actually come down a heck of a lot tbf. Agree about the wages, that's the real outlay and being contractual, is an ongoing liability. To be honest, the match going fans (ticket sales) are a drop in the ocean, they don't make a dent. The player's wages are being paid by mutli-million £ sponsorship deals. Woody is working around the clock to make sure those sponsorships are planned years in advance. I don't particularly like the bloke but that's one thing he's good at.

    A mate of mine was telling me there was some report that said the Pogba deal is actually our 3rd highest in terms of purchase price compared to revenue. Veron and Ferdinand for cost compared to club revenue (at the time they were purchased) were higher.
     
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  10. Brian Storm

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    How much has it come down fella? Knowing your club can run without the prize money based on other revenues, it must have chipped a fair bit off has it?
     
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    So a club that has 659m fans(as alex ferguson claims) and they sell 2m shirts. Now a good majority of the 2m fans are indeed gloryhunters but why didnt the 657m other fans buy a shirt???

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-revenue-making-25m-profit.html#ixzz4Grc1qTtV
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  12. Treble

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    It's about £350m iirc but don't quote me exactly. Compared to where it was when they bought the club that's about half. Ofcourse the real factor is the increase in the value of the club. About a decade ago it was shock and surprise to hear it was valued at £1 bn. Now it's apparently worth £2 bn (ridiculous isn't it lol). But more importantly, proportionally the revenue is in line with the debt compared to a decade ago. We could NEVER have imagined the debt being worth 3 Pogba's (or even 3 Ronaldo's) back then.

    Glaziers have ****ing landed on a pot of gold they couldn't have imagined! No wonder the Chinese are coming in, in their truck loads to buy up other clubs!
     
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    ManU are just protecting their global branding. The good folks of Asia apparently saw it announced around about their breakfast time while European ones were sleeping. Money from crowds minimal, branding essential and all provided by overpayment from competing TV companies.

    21st century football.
     
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  14. Treble

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    I'm not even going to click on the Daily Fail link <laugh> You'd have to define gloryhunter if they're buying shirts when we've been playing so poorly over the last 3 years. But when you talk about 600m+ fans that's worldwide fanbase. A huge chunk of that is in the far east and the U.S. I really have no idea how much they spend on merchandise or watching games on the telly etc.
     
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    And probably the U.S. stock exchange opening had something to do with it as well.
     
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  16. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    **** thread, **** OP, **** poster, bitter loser.

    Lives in Norfolk, supports Sunderland, complains when other teams don't have local fans.

    ****ing stupid ****.
     
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    Like being of the opinion that a ten pound note is worth a pound.
     
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  19. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    How did we get rid of Stu last time?
     
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  20. Brian Storm

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    Someone got personal after years of him being personal and he spat his dummy
     
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