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Is Pogba Worth £70m?

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by cytrax, Jun 9, 2016.

  1. Swarbs

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    Mark Hughes <ok>
     
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    Bastard <grr>
     
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    He hardly made the first team and left at 19 years. Not quite the same as the buying back of Hughes, Matic etc. <ok>
     
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    I will agree that United should in the sense of United having a great chance with the quality available rather than should in the sense of "have to" to justify the outlay.

    No matter what happens now on the pitch, this acquisition will have a huge impact outside of it. United beating Real to the most coveted player around and now possess the most expensive player must have grated with Real. To make matters worse for them, Zidane admitted he wanted the player but his club did not have the financial muscle to compete.
     
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    Aye, and some credit due to Woodward for sticking to his guns on making them pay that.

    Particularly when some ITKs on here were of the opinion he should ask Juve to name their price and terms then just hand over a £120m cheque.
     
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    United apparently are paying the whole £20m agent's fee.
     
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  7. Stan

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    £89m is fair enough. United like to bang on about being one of the biggest clubs in the world, soon it will be the richest, so it's about time the owners started paying the fans back by competing with the likes of Real on transfer fees.

    That record will be broken next summer. If Higuaín and Lukaku are worth £70m+ then the next hotshot Brazilian will command £90m+.
     
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    Sky disagree.

    They could of course be wrong but they tend to be right as they have agents and club officials in their pockets to get exclusive stories.
     
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    Have always felt that to be a very narrow approach to business. Newcastle bought arguably the best striker in the world in Shearer but won **** all because they didn't have a midfield to compete with Keane and Scholes or Vieira and Petit. And for all Chelsea's spending on expensive players in the early Roman era, it was Makalele and Essien that turned you into title winners as much as Drogba, and Makalele's sale that turned Real into also rans for half a decade.

    I do agree it's hard for Pogba to justify his fee at the moment, although given it's seven years after Ronaldo moved, a 10% increase in the transfer record since that time doesn't even cover natural inflation, let alone the increase in the amount of money in football over that time. It's only a matter of time, imo, before the £100m barrier is actually broken, possibly smashed in the same way Ronaldo's transfer broke the previous record by almost 50%.
     
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    Ive said it often enough. Fergie managed to save the GGs lots of money. But without the genius, they'll have to spend to keep up. Nothing new and welcome to the real world. But I am 100% sure that they with Woodwards help will capitalise on Pogba as the most expensive player in the world. Expect to have United on the back pages of newspapers even more this season.

    Honestly if these players are worth £70m+_ then Pogba was a bargain.
     
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    http://www.juventus.com/media/nativ...s/2015-2016/comunicato 09082016 pogba eng.pdf

    "The economic effect is positive for about € 72.6 million, net of solidarity subsidy and auxiliary expenses". The last time Juve referred to a solidarity subsidy in a transfer was when they sold Diego to Wolfsburg and paid € 775,000 to his previous club due to a sell on clause.

    So Juve have incurred a € 32.4 million solidarity subsidy, and we know that didn't go to Pogba's previous club...
     
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    Manchester United will not pay Juventus' agent's fee.
     
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    IF this is true then they have done a straight swap of Pogba (£93m- £20m ?) for Higuain (£75.3m). Not a good deal for them I would have thought.
     
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    Neither of them are worth that, Higuain maybe £40m and Lukaku £30m tops.
     
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    It's how they got the player in the first place. The agent guided him to Juve as the club agreed to pay the agent if and when he was sold on. The agent thought long term, Juve though short term, they'd've signed any agreement to get such a good player on a free.
     
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    Surely United paid the Raiola chap his share?
     
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    Why? As Stan said, Juve agreed to give 30% of any future transfer fee to Raiola in exchange for him turning Pogba's head whilst still at Utd. It wasn't an agent's fee, it was a sell on clause (or a solidarity subsidy as they call in Italy). They get to pay the devil his dues.

    30% of €105m is €31.5m, so with €900,000 of ancillary expenses that pretty much covers Juve's public statement <ok>
     
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    Relative to income, Pogba is likely to only be United's 3rd biggest purhcase.

    At the time of buying as a percentage of turnover both Juan Sebastian Veron and Rio Ferdinand were more expensive in relative terms. So the £17m spent on Veron was then more than £100m which United might spend on Pogba now.

    The new TV deal means the big English clubs can now out bid even Barca and Real Madrid, although the Chinese league might now be able to trump EPL.
     
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    Interesting. All the newspaper speculation during this whole saga was about United paying 20% of the transfer fee and Juventus refusing to pay a penny...what was this all about?

    If United have to fork out only £89m (+ £5m) the deal is even better than I thought.
     
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    From an arsenal fan I don't think u guys overpaid even forgetting his talent for a seccond he must be one of the most marketable players in the world I imagine alot of the money has been recouped by sponsors and now shirt sales
     
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