I totally understand peoples frustrations. But until he's dealt with all the crap that was bought, and are still paying for, I don't see how he can throw more money at the club, more than he's already done. We've seen today on another thread, that Leeds want to sign Bridcutt, but want us to subsidise his wage because they can't afford it. That's the **** he's having to deal with. Just give Moyes a chance to get who he wants in, and lets move on from there. There are bids in apparently. So there's money there. I'll happily give Moyes a couple of years to imprint his model on the club. And yes, that includes how much for, and who, he brings in before this window closes.
Interesting thread Joe. Seems like a few peoples patience is wearing thin and perspective has started to get boring. I don't know much about the man but he certainly needs to up his game cos Moyes has it in him to change the fortunes and direction of your club for many many years.
The Leeds **** was in 02/03, the club lived on a massive debt to live the dream, the man who did that didn't have 2 pennies to rub together, his whole world was run on hp, their demise was by failing to get the success, if he had accomplished it, then no doubt he would be laundered around the football world..It is a game of gambles, some pay off some don't.. As for your bit in bold and as I have said twice tonight on a thread and I am only using Middlesbrough as an example as I know their club, Gordon Strachan on a great attempt to gain promotion 3 or 4 years ago put that club to near bankruptcy, their debt after his tenure and failure through players he signed on huge wages was astounding. What you have seen from their club is a dedicated chairman, who has used every ounce of his head and devotion to reduce those debts as well as strive towards the clubs goal which was promotion. They have managed that this year and I must say with a good team and have added through investment a team that their 15,000 die-hards must be proud of.. See where I am going here? There is no excuse for our lack of investment, penny pinching **** that we have had to endure under Mr Short. Even if our debt was 3 times Middlesbrough's supposed £30 million, you would think after nearly 10 years in the Prem, we would see some real investment now.. If he proves me wrong and you know me mate, I will hold my hands up and take a kick up the arse.. I'm not expecting it shortly..
Haven't we applied those sentiments to the last 6 managers? It could go on forever. Same record over and over and over.
The only difference I can see between us and the Borough, in your second paragraph, is that they had lower league players that they could move on, and we signed lower league players on PL wages that we couldn't move in. I don't think he's penny pinching mate, I think he made big mistakes early on that he's having to live with and sort out. The clubs debt was bigger this year than last. We're all coming from different angles on here, but I'm an old fart, I always look to the longer term. I have to, I've been married 3 times
We have. But in his own words, we now have the manager he really wanted, for the last 5 years. So this is the manager I'm going to judge him on.
We could be a regular yoyo club like the rats over the other side . I've seen my longest stint in the top league with Ellis... long may it continue [emoji3] I just hate being relegated. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Not every club lands their first choice. Doesn't automatically equate to making the mess the club's in. I think Short thinks the problem is on the pitch, where I think the problems on the pitch has been snowballed from higher up under his stewardship. I'm trying to see the bigger picture. There's way way more to it than him not being able to land his top choice manager. Moyes is very good manager but we've got 19 senior players to pick from 5 of which are a dead wages. if he's not backed to the hilt there's only so much he can do. That's 14 senior players to pick from we actually want. From those Hoff & Kaboul will never give you 25+ games a season. With all that in mind I'll judge on this window instead of waiting for Moyes to be latest person sacked because we look like we're heading down again.
Middlesbrough were relegated with the best side in 2009, a lot better than the mags team who somewhat romped the league.. They pretty much stripped their team and fell short on promotion and after throwing money at Strachan and Mowbray and their gates of 15,000 and income barely covered their debts, their rise over the last 2 years was done by a sound management and directorship. There is no moral here, just the dedication to a sound Chairman and owner who I happen to think, we don't have and never will have in Ellis Short. I said on a thread weeks ago that I could imagine Ellis having an orgasm when Sam was linked with the England job as it was a ready made excuse for the lack of activity and investment. Like I said, if I'm proved wrong then I will hold my hands high..
Can't argue with either of you guys @Bri OBE @Delectable Joe.. Especially about Borough's owner! Top bloke! Wouldn't criticise him for a second. He's Borough through and through. It's all about opinions isn't it. Fingers crossed that we come through this current situation. I remain glass half full mates.
Sorry to be a pain mate. I dont usually do this cause i hate people that correct peoples spelling and grammer on the internet but i think you mean BORO not Borough .
I work with a few people that know Short, the media director of Formula E is a mate of his, they all know each other because the owners of Formula E, were part of the ownership/management team of QPR. I can't go into detail publicly, but from what I know Short has done us proud in terms of rescuing the club from certain financial ruin. He runs the club like a business and not like a toy as many owners do. From his perception he has invested a lot of money, he knows he has made mistakes. Believe me these rich businessmen have people in their ear giving them terrible advice all day everyday. Most of the time they don't take the advice but I have seen big mistake be made on bad advice. I can think of 1 instance last year where a client of mine listened to a mate of theirs rather than listening to our advice as experts. It cost that client 1/4 million. I think Short is good for us, he runs a steady ship and is looking at long term stability and growth. We have had some set backs, but in the long run I think it will all pay off. He is looking for growth, not just in the club but also in the premier league. The club is an asset and because of the growth of the league the club is now worth substantially more than his investment. That is what he gets out of it. I just get frustrated with some of the financial decision, especially re: transfers, but we don't know the details and probably never will. If we knew the truth we may make the same decision the club has.
So glad you weighed in with that Vegas. ES has undoubtedly been good for the club in terms of survival. Up to WW2 we were top bracket club because the playing field was level for all teams and by standards we were among the richest, mainly achieved by bringing on local or talent from lower leagues. The sea change to our game was the riches of Sky and rules of change of ownership leading to the rich kids taking over. Their domination even stretches to the lower leagues by them loaning out out players who they can afford to pay whilst on loan. Managerial appointments are also crucial ONLY if the manager brings success and Real Madrid and ManU have suffered but what hurt them most was their loss of revenue through commercial economics. Play great football, but do not qualify for the ECL equals loss of revenue for them. Finally there is the club's investment in Africa and USA, both emerging nations in the football world. Maybe in the next couple of years we will be bringing over our own talent to be developed enough to secure our future. Clubs like ours have to take the longer term view and cut our coat to suit the cloth. Glory days are long gone but I base that on what went on long before ES took over.
Speaking of debt - most of us have one which we manage knowing it we cannot spend too much until it is sorted out or at least made more manageable within our income? Or we could go the bookies/casino and have a flutter hoping for a big win.
