Capital bhoy that's me completely destroyed you and dev don't agree with me. Well I must be wrong now, that 2 out of the 50,000 odd that attend Celtic Park every fortnight. I am so hurt now that you have pointed out how unpopular if you hear of someone doing something stupid, you know where the blame lies. I am a broken man. Imagine 2 whole people don't agree with me Help! Help! help!
I have given you an answer, the fact that you simply don't understand it is none of my concern. As for the songs and lyrics, the board have already told the GB that songs about the IRA are unacceptable so why is dialogue needed on that front? No need to answer, because I suspect you have none.
Dev, I can't believe you're still going in circles with this topic - some time back you came round to saying "maybe dialogue is the way forward" and now it seems you've retreated from that statement. Is the fact that the mostly teenage group/faction, who are singing the songs that you find so unacceptable, have refused to accept a dictat from the Celtic Management, not good enough reason for dialogue, if the issue is to be resolved amicably? By the way, in all of this hullabaloo, I wonder if people who claim they are 'offended' are not just actually 'annoyed' rather than 'offended? Could it be really the case that people are not so much 'offended' by songs as 'annoyed' - and being annoyed by something is not the same thing at all. I could be annoyed that it rained and spoiled my plans for an outside barbecue but I doubt that could be construed as being offended! (It hasn't rained actually, and I am going to have my barbecue - just using that as an example LOL!!!!!)
I'm offended. There I said it, i'm offended by it. I'm also offended by songs about Johnny Doyle, Jock Stein and Tommy Burns and Jim Torbett. I'm also offended by songs about Novo, Walter Smith and Ian Durrant. Now you tell me why I have no right to be?
ec, He did say dialogue may be the way forward but also that the GB are not the appropriate people to have dialogue with. I would agree with that. there are a myriad of different supporters groups. Perhaps it is up with the supporters groups to get together, agree a common strategy and 'they' engage the club rather than the other way round. I really don't understand all this green brigade deference. That isn't meant as an offence to them in any way shape or form.
RebelBhoy, it is heartening to see fellow Celtic fans standing up for each other like the 'family' we are.....(only joking!!!) Believe me, I do understand what you and Dev in particular are saying overall and I do have to bow to your knowledge of the various Celtic fan groupings. As an observer however, I find some of the 'logic' of the arguments used/comments made, a bit difficult to accept - but then I suppose given the rapid responses that are sometimes made, there has not been enough time to think them through. The notion of being offended against by someone singing songs is a strange one and I believe the statement of being offended by songs is somewhat of a misnomer. To be offended against implies that a law has been broken. Assault, for example, is against the law so if one is physically attacked then obviously an offence has been committed and the victim has been 'offended' against. What law has been broken by singing songs? That is where I believe the complexities of trying to bring in legislation to deal with such issues is a legal minefield which I just don't see being possible. Of course time will tell!
Paul mcbride says it is about what you are doing, who you are doing it to and why you are doing it, not just the concept of receiving offence. I could be sat next to you, doing the same thing as you but I am breaking the law and you are not, so yeah, it is very complex.
Yep, and the mind-reading to prove or disprove the intent of the person or persons singing the song/s is going to be mind-boggling for sure!
Dev, I obviously can't speak for the Green Brigade and know very little about them so cannot determine whether or not your interpretation of what they say is correct. I realize you are using the "right to be offended" terminology in it's popular sense. However, taking a different slant on it and just for the sake of enjoyment of a debate - strictly speaking, you do not actually have a 'right' to be offended. That's like saying you have a 'right' to be assaulted. I would have thought that only a masochist would invite someone to assault him? The claiming of a 'right' in such an issue is a misnomer. Rights can be asserted in law and at the moment there is no law against the singing of songs. Thus, it could be argued, you cannot claim to have such a 'right' to be 'offended'. As for being 'offended' by the singing of songs - that too, I would contend, is a wrongly applied description. Again, strictly speaking, to be 'offended' against infers/requires a law to be broken and at the moment, there is no law against the singing of such songs. No offence is, therefore, being committed so you cannot be 'offended' against. Your feelings may be hurt, you may be upset, annoyed or even angry and of course, you are free to choose these emotions in response to these songs but these emotions are not 'rights' in law......as yet! Could this be what the Green Brigade were thinking eh? LOL!!!
If you don't like it don't go I hate 80s music so I don't go to 80s pubs....actually I don't and I do but for **** sake, when did we all get soppy....ooh I'm offended....Dev you get offence from huns every day on this board but keep coming back for more I say let everyone sing what they want and let the world judge them Come on, do you want rangers to look like a normal family club? I love it that they look like bigots
I cannot believe that any person can seriously contemplate banning all songs with the Initials I R A in them. If that is true that person is a total idiot and does not know what he or she is talking about. What I have been trying to say and have been waiting for Dick Advocate and his side kicks to admit that there are perfectly innocent songs and lyrics with the Initials I R A in them. There are also horrible nasty songs, but mostly lyrics that should not ever be allowed in any public place and some of these contains the initials I R A. Now if we are going to have common-sense and eradicate the horrible nasty unacceptable singing from Celtic Park, people who know what they are talking about need to sit down with each other and come to a compromise. That is the way everyone can enjoy the experience of attending matches at Celtic Park. We have to take a firm hard line, the unacceptable has to be cut out, the songs that are not offensive, sectarian or bigoted, despite what some might want to try to be offended, must be kept as acceptable and sung if appropriate. I don't think Celtic have a right to decide the Rangers song sheets, neither Should the Rangers decide ours.
