Honesty has fck all to do with it. Wearing your bitter jealousy like a badge doesn't make it any more honourable. It just highlights what an irrational, bitter **** you are. This arsehole has me on ignore because he can't deal with ppl who pull every one of his idiotic posts apart. So here's another example of this baffoon's idiocy for everyone else... According to StanDPlank, the man who is now going to eclipse Fergie's record is the very same man he was calling to be sacked from the start of last season despite said man being the most successful manager in the history of the club he supports. But now he's claiming this man is going to be the most successful manager in the history of English football. The word irrational is an understatement.
Wow. You reckon he'll win 14 league titles, 3 CLs, 6 FA Cups, 5 League Cups, 2 trebles and stop Liverpool winning the league for another 23 years? Bold predictions there
For starters, Even though Alex had ABSOLUTE monopoly for the majority of his time he had less than 50% success rate with titles. But Jose will definitely better Alex's 1 title for every 2 years , very easily without having THE ABSOLUTE monopoly!! I just hope Jose leaves in his usual 3 years, but I don't think that will be the case. That's why I am afraid and sad that MOST (not ALL ) records of Alex will be beaten.
Explain this line, are you saying Arsenal were always ****, Chelsea and City never got the golden ticket, no other team had a chance?
Alex had to actually deal with equals (Sheikh/ Roman) in his last quarter or so of his tenure. Yes, Alex had only one adversary albeit with fraction of Alex's financial clout - 'Novice' Arsene. Alex lost to him couple of times to that J-League Novice. On the other hand - Jose with similar financial clout of Alex has never lost to an established Arsene - never literally.
This is a crazy way to look at football management. The duration at the top is itself an achievement. So the actual number of trohies and years at the top are a better yard stick than the proportion of successful years. It is stupid to for example say that the RS manager (in the last distant past) won 3 league titles in 6 years and therefore was better than Fergie who won 10 titles in 26 years. Forgetting that staying in the job, rebuilding teams and keeping the teams at the very top are by themselves monumental acheivements. Taking this to extremes, it is like saying someone who won the title in the only year he managed that he is the greatest manager ever because his ratio is 100% ! Although I hope you are right, there is no way Mourinho will equal Fergie never mind surpass him. If he does even one third of what the great man has achieved he will have surpassed my expectations.
He probably will. After all, when SAF arrived at Utd we were in the relegation zone and hadn't won the league for 20 years. We also couldn't compete financially with City in the early 90s (they outspent us before their relegation), Blackburn and Newcastle. Whereas Mourinho has taken over the richest club in the UK, and potentially the richest in the world if we secure consistent CL qualification. The fact he has managed to secure all four of his targets shows our financial power now, compared to SAF who often had to settle for his second choice players after being outbid by Chelsea, City and sometimes Real, Barca, Bayern and PSG for first choices. SAF managed to win 50% of the league titles from 2004 to 2013, despite competing with Roman and the Sheikhs and being massively burdened by £800m of debt on the club at a time when our commercial revenues were still quite low. We spent around half as much as Chelsea and City over that period, but still performed better than either of them. Now our debt is a manageable £360m, revenues are more than twice as much as they were in 2004 and FFP has stopped Roman and the Sheikhs outspending us. So if Mourinho really is a better manager than SAF, he should better his league record now the competition are handicapped and he has much more money to spend.
I agree longevity with Alex - but he was in Dinosaur era, where decent managers got absolute eternity - Read Arsene. Financial power: Alex had more than 70% of financial monopoly in his 26 years, yet he won only 50%. (Odd years from Rovers & Toon) Jose had approx less than 60% of financial monopoly in his 6 years yet he won more than 50%. Sudden financial surge doesn't equal success as proved by Alex's initial 6 years. He took that many years to bridge the divide and finally win. You cannot just say Roman bankrolled Jose to title. If that is the case Alex should have done it lot earlier. Adversaries: Alex had awful adversaries for more than 70% of his 26 years tenure - Arsene, Dalglish & Keegan Jose had stellar, established adversaries for more than 70% of his 6 years tenure - Alex, Arsene, Rafa, now Pep, Klopp The way Alex was made greatest ever by you guys - he can also be easily projected as an above average manager.
This is just too simplistic. It does not work like that. If you have financial preeminence for 1 to 2 years, the effects will last more than 2 years as the players and the team bought will last several more years. Chelsea and City by spending massively changed the landscape yet United were still winning titles.
Errr, Arsene is still there. So are we still in the "Dinosaur era"? After all, Arsene was a good manager until 2004, he has only been poor since then, ironically due to the emergence of Roman. So are you saying it's only since 2004 that decent managers get "absolute eternity"?! You're just plain wrong here - SAF never had "financial monopoly" (whatever the f*ck that means!). Liverpool had greater financial power in the 80s, Blackburn and City had greater financial power in the early 90s, and Newcastle had it in the late 1990s. The only period when SAF had absolute financial superiority was from about 98 to 2003, when he won 4 out of 5 titles and the CL. And I'm not sure how winning three titles in seven seasons is "more than 50%" Ah, I see, so Wenger was an "awful adversary" from 1996 to 2004, when he won three league titles and three FA Cups in eight seasons, but "stellar, established adversary" from 2004 to 2016 when he won three FA Cups in 12 seasons. Good argument No he can't. Not without a whole heap of BS like you have posted.
True financial preeminence for 2 years will last for few more years. But getting there takes atleast half a decade, as explained by City, PSG etc. We had the BEST ever manager so we hit the ground running from first year.
Steady on son. I know Ranieri has done great things with Leicester, but calling him the best manager ever is a bit of a stretch...
Thanks for adding more weight for my stance. Fergie inherited a squad which finished 4th a season ago. He lost to likes of Leeds & Everton during his initial years. No need to overhype his accomplishments. always too smart, aren't you?
You quoting someone who claims the very person he wanted sacked all last season is also the best ever manager (and your club's most successful manager) isn't too smart either. When they used to call you headhunters, were you hunting for brains???
