The EU debate - Part II

Wouldn't know as I don't read it!!

 

Definitely, IF the PLP hadnt stabbed Corbyn in the back the post-Brexit was the perfect time to capatalize on a Tory party in disarray, we could have presented a united front while pointing out that the Tories lead us into this mess with no plan and no clear path forward before both Boris and Cameron junped ship leaving it rudderless. We could have capatalized on the infighting and the negative press being focused on the Tories, while Uniting with the other parties to denand a GE.

Now the PLP have torpedoed their own party and damaged peoples confidence in it.

 

How do you work that out? Is it his fault for helping Alastair Darling start a coup against himself?
Or did he change the NEC rules undemocratically?
Or is it his fault hundreds of thousands ignored the bland, weathervane, right wingers in the party and voted Corbyn in?

I suppose he shpuld have thrown people like Hilary Benn and the like out of the party, that was a mistake but as mistakes go trying for unity and including MPs of all leanings isnt the worst.

 

I condemn Chuka because of his policies and his morally flexible way of bending his politics to suit any situation in his favour.

 

Because 172 MP's have decided to betray the leader and have tried to split the party in two.

That is the reason that the Labour party are in a mess.

 

Yes, completely. If the treacherous Labour MPs hadn't torn the party apart for their own selfish agenda, then they would have been in an excellent position to challenge the Tories who were in disarray after the referendum.

 

But the Tories are not in disarray are they, they seem to be happy that May is PM, Thatcher Mk 2

 

Spot on It's ridiculous trying to blame Corbyn for the split in the party. It's ****ing obvious who has caused this split and yet the Labour MPs and the media try and lay the blame at Corbyn's feet. Personally I think people are extremely naive to swallow that.

 

They were in disarray when Cameron jumped ship and they admitted they had no plan post Brexit. That was the chance for Labour to take the lead, but instead their MPs decided to cause a civil war instead.

 

He divides the party! That's why it's tearing itself apart!...

 

Neither do I!....

 

The Labour party membership voted democratically for Corbyn, if the MPs elected to represent the Labour party don't like it, then they should **** off.

 

Unless their is a vote of no confidence in the PM or two thirds of all MPs call for a dissolution of Parliament there cannot be a Genaral Election. As neither of those scenarios is likely to occur Labour has nearly 4 years to convince that electorate that there is a credible alternative to the Tories. It will not be easy because of the bias of the media but voter attitudes have begun to change. The rapid rise in LabourParty membership indicates that more people are connecting with politics and leaving the apathy of the past behind.

 

And the people who voted them into parliament? They should just **** off too?...

 

This has been covered. The people who voted Labour voted for the party, not for the personalities. Those treacherous MPs could be deselected and the constituents would still have a Labour MP to represent them at Westminster.

 

Yes, the people voted for their Labour candidate. They didn't necessarily vote for Corbyn. Most of those people voted Labour when Blair was the leader too.

It's pointless going around in circles. In my view, which is shared by many others, Corbyn is an electoral kiss of death!...

 

The Tories could repeal the fixed term act, but I don't think they will. I was all for a GE after the referendum, but that was before the treacherous MPs decided they wanted civil war instead of acting as an opposition. As it stands, Labour would get slaughtered, so they need that time to heal and regroup.

Completely agree about people becoming more engaged with Politics though, that is one big positive that has come out of the shambles of the last month. The apathy was depressing, and it came about because there was very little difference between Labour and Tory policy, people had become cynical and rightly so, because both parties were simply puppets for the corporations. Now we have a clear difference between left and right. The last thing I want is for Labour to go back to being a bland conservative in labour colours party.

 

Exactly, they vote on party lines rather than the actual candidates.

Corbyn will only be unelectable if people swallow the mantra being peddled that he is unelectable. If they vote Labour, then he will be elected, simple.

 

There's a reason that Labour was electable for 13 years! Like it or not, Blair was a great salesman. You may think of it as 'Tory lite' - and to some extent you're right. But Blair was smart enough to know what people would vote for. He gave it to them, and won by a landslide.

There is nothing pragmatic or flexible about Corbyn. He's an outdated dogmatist. He's not interested in what the voting public want. Like all his ilk, he wants to tell them what's good for them.

And that is why he's unelectable.

 

I don't want another Tony Blair. As Thatcher said, he was the best thing to happen to the Conservative party.