The EU debate - Part II

To all those people who say they can't see Corbyn at No10. Is that really any more unbelievable than seeing Boris Johnson as Foreign secretary ?

 

The salient difference being that bumbling Boris got gifted the post, the electorate didn't have a say in it.

Corbyn will never get anywhere near to becoming the incumbent of No.10, as the populous beyond a percentage of the rank file Labour membership, just aren't having him.

 

An unprecidented 183,000 people have paid the £25 to join the Labour Party and vote for the leadership IN THE LAST 48 HOURS!

Whatever else, you have to admire the pulling power of Corbyn's politics among the people out there.

 

Agree about Boris being shoehorned into post.

Personally, I think politics is ripe for change, people are ****ed off with the status quo. It's my opinion that the Labour party need a leader exactly like Jeremy corbyn to hold the Tories feet to the fire over the next 4 years.

 

Yes, I said that I agreed. But I would also say that current Labour policies have driven many former voters into the arms of UKIP. Corbyn will drive even more, IMO. The majority of these people did not vote for Corbyn as such, they voted for the Labour Party.

We will see, if it's ever put to the test, but I am strongly of the view that Corbyn is totally unelectable. To win an GE in the UK you need the so called swing voters. Corbyn and his policies would scare the majority of them to death.

 

I guess we'll see. I agree he's radical and people might not be ready to make such a shift from the norm. It's like ****ing stockholm syndrome with politicians, the more they abuse power, the more people seem to want to vote for them !

 

He's far too dogmatic, mate. Pragmatism is needed to succeed in politics, compromise too.

Corbyn is wedded to a, in my view and that of many others, long outdated dogma.

Whilst a refusal to compromise your beliefs may be admirable, it won't get you elected. And, if you're not in power, you are in no position to implement anything.

 

I agree about pragmatism, I just don't want another sell out though.

 

Sorry mix up of terminologies between us. I was talking about the Constituency Labour Party members (CLPs) who are the only ones who can select MPs for election or to deselect them if they aren't representing our wishes.

On a similar note, yet another CLP have been banned after coming out overwhelming in support of Corbyn. Strangely this time it's Angela Eagle's own party. Accusations of 'bullying' and 'threats' have been used as justification but no evidence has been provided and apparently it totally circumvents Labour Party disciplinary rules. Also people present at the meetings, including the chair, have all denied the allegations.

 

But the voters would need to sign up to become voters to either a) elect a leader or b) deselect a MP so the point seems moot until an election.

And even in the biased media I have yet to see a poll of the public saying Angela Eagle or Smith is more popular than Corbyn - despite all the smear campaigns against him.

All I ever hear is 'he's unelectable' but they are too scared to face him in an election. 'He offers no opposition' despite him forcing the government to back down repeatedly. While the others have a history of abstaining or supporting the Tories.

So if people want a democratic say in the election of the new leader, or choice in who their local MP is, then they can, they just need to sign up as a Labour Member.

Well at least they could until the NEC changed the rules. Now I think a vote cost £25

 

I don't agree at all.

Most people don't want revolution, the average Joe wants to be able to pay his mortgage, not spend his life worrying about paying his bills, and take his family away for 2 weeks in the summer. That's what most have got, they don't want some left wing revolution to upset that applecart

There's the under class - the genuine unemployed and lifelong feckless, who might welcome that level of change, plus a percentage of the traditional 'working class' Labour voter who have suffered from the growing wealth gap, but even a large chunk of them have deserted Labour in recent years opting to move to the right, not the far left.....

People want politics to become more honest, transparent and all encompassing, but I think confusing that desire with the idea that a life long left wing protestor like Corbyn is somehow what the mainstream populous are hankering for is delusional imo, he's been labelled as unelectable for good reason - he is.

What Labour needs now is a leader who is strong, charismatic and who can define a policy strategy that will appeal to a broad enough spectrum of the electorate that'll make Labour a genuine contender again, not simply pander to the already converted.

 

He's totally unelectable!

The voters, in their majority, voted for The Labour Party - not Corbyn.

It has really very little to do with Eagles or Smith. The problem is that the PLP feel, as many many others do, that there is zero chance of them forming a government with Corbyn as their leader. The Turkeys, instead of settling for an early Xmas, have decide to act.

All this will bring about is a split of the current Labour Party. Corbyn will be left with a shell of a party.

 

You got any figures about the number of Tory voters? Or any proof?

The UKIP rise didn't start under Corbyn but long before and Labour haemorrhaged millions of votes between 1997 and 2015, Corbyn has reversed the trend of losing party members and increased it to its biggest size ever.

Also studies have shown that Corbyn's policies - renationalisation, anti-austerity, protecting NHS for example have polled highest among UKIP voters.

Seeing as they have now got what they wanted and are out of the EU, they are less likely to want to vote for their far-right economic policies and now would be the perfect time to attract them to Labour.

 

Proof?

 

It is/was well known that Farage and UKIP were targeting disaffected Labour voters.

If Corbyn carries on their numbers will increase, not decrease.

 

What proof do you need? Go into an election with him as leader, you'll be slaughtered 100% guaranteed!..

 

Well he has already improved on Milliband and reversed the trend in the elections he has currently been involved in

 

Probably not surprised to hear that I disagree with that

If Labour members vote for somebody like Owen Smith, they are just going to get another Austerity lite, Trident sympathising yes man. **** all will change and the Tories will get away with blue murder.

 

You are just using sound bites without any evidence and no stats to back you up.

 

That's not proof, that's your opinion.