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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. NZHorn

    NZHorn Well-Known Member

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    But Superhorns seems to be quite happy if the UK dissolves. He believes that England won't have to subsidise the rest of the UK if that happens. That would be a win win situation - no money to the poorer parts of the EU and no money to the poorer parts of the UK.
    Despite the almost universal hostility he receives here, I can't believe that his views are unique. I would suspect that there are many people in England who would support England going it alone. The only difference between them and Superhorns is that SH has a bolt hole in France if/when it all goes wrong.
     
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  2. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    I do not currently own a second home in Europe.

    I do not believe Scotland would be foolish enough to leave the UK, there is no facility for them to remain in the EU and the opposition from certain other EU countries on their application to rejoin, on much poorer terms, would be immense.
    I'm certain the UK will flourish outside of the EU, but it would be prudent to personally retain other options.............
     
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  3. colognehornet

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    I also do not think that Scotland can remain within the EU. The course would be firstly to separate from the UK. and then to join the EU. as a completely new state - in the meanwhile they could have some sort of associate status similar to Iceland, Norway etc. with access to markets, having to comply by EU. rules but, initially, without voting rights or grants etc. It may be a road which is worth taking for them. That 'separated' states can join the EU. was proved by the Czech Republic and Slovakia being able to join.
     
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  4. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    Similar to his mate Forage and his off-shore investments.

    Probably in his wife's name or something similar... they all know how to play the system for their own benefit...

    Funny how so many of these 'career' politicians have their own private means..... the wrong sort of people in power in a lot of cases methinks
     
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  5. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    It is called taking responsibility for your family. Opportunities are there for everybody you just need the gumption and spirit to seize them.
     
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  6. Leo

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    Knowing that there would be UK wide referendum on the EU the Scots voted to stay in the UK - they cannot complain that they did not know. Now they do not like the result their only choice is to see if they will be permitted to have a second referendum despite the SNP saying it was a once in a generation referendum in the knowledge of the UK's EU referndum always possibly going to take the whole UK out. Why should Scottish "remainers" have preferential treatment over those of us in England who want to remain?
     
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  7. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Theresa May will not trigger article 50 of the Lisbon treaty initiating the UK’s departure from the European Union before the end of 2016, the high court has been told.

    At the opening of the first legal challenge to the process of Brexit, government lawyers conceded that the politically sensitive case was likely to be appealed up to the supreme court.

    At least seven private actions – arguing that only parliament and not the prime minister has the authority to invoke article 50 – have been identified to the court.
    Confirming that ministers are not aiming to push the exit button until next year at the earliest, Jason Coppel QC, for the government, conceded that there was nonetheless “some urgency” to the issue.

    “Notification [triggering] article 50 will not occur before the end of 2016,” Coppel told the court. Should anything change, he promised, the court would be given advance notice.

    Surveying the benches, Leveson remarked upon the “bewildering array of legal talent” and acknowledged that the case involved matter of great constitutional importance.

    The lord chief justice, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, is due to hear the substantive case in the autumn.

    The lead case for the legal challenge will be that brought by an investment manager and philanthropist , Gina Miller, 51, who lives in London. Her claim is being coordinated by the law firm Mishcon de Reya.

    She attended the hearing and afterwards said: “We believe in a fair society. This is very much along the lines of my belief [as a remain voter] ... This case is all about the sovereignty of parliament. It is very important that the (article 50) issues are dealt with in a serious and grown-up way. We are making sure that happens.”
     
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  8. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Home Secretary Amber Rudd and new Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson have "signalled" that the target for immigration has been abandoned, and have suggested the government will not commit to explicit targets. Considering just how much was made of the figures during the campaign, I think it is fair to say that now with power they realize that they may have been telling a few porkies.
     
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  9. superhorns

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    It is a sensible policy to not fix to specific targets. What leave campaigned for was for the UK to have control rather than Brussels which is quite different.
     
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  10. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    A few porkies - their entire campaign was porkies. Name one item which was accurate - not immigaration, not new countries joining, not sovereignty, not the NHS, not contributions to EU, not the economy - and not the timing of leaving. Proves you can fool a lot of the people some of the time.
     
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  11. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    Reflecting on this further... this is what I might call an ultra right wing view for want of another way of describing it....
    More for me because I deserve it/have earned it/inherited it..... and less fro those people out there who might want/need some of it .. be they poles/celts/northerners etc

    Whereas an other view might by investing in the poorer areas we can bring them on etc etc
     
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  12. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    He reflects Thatcher's view that there 'is no such thing as society', perfectly. The fact that he needs somebody to grow his food, somebody to build his car, somebody to build his house, somebody to nurse him when he is ill, somebody to protect his property etc. in short, somebody else to establish the entire infrastucture around him escapes him completely.
     
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  13. superhorns

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    European Parliament President Martin Schulz has confirmed that Scotland will have to leave the EU with the rest of the UK. Scotland will have to apply as a new member of the EU if it becomes an independent state, but this would have to happen after the UK leaves. Scotland would also be asked to join the disastrous Euro and Schengen free travel area, not get its share of the UK's current rebate and would have to share its fishing waters with other EU members which would otherwise be liberated by Brexit.
     
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  14. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    You are talking through your balls again SH. Anyone going directly to Scotland (from the continent.) has to fly there, which means carrying, and showing, their passports - this is the case even for inland flights. So the whole thing of Schengen does not apply for Scotland (unless people swim over).
     
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  15. superhorns

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    Do you ever not talk through your balls?
     
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  16. Toby

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    A UKIP councillor who said on social media that all Remain voters should be killed has apologised and said his comments were a joke.

    Terence Nathan, a councillor in Bromley, south-east London, posted on Facebook it was "time to start killing these people".

    He wrote: "There is no need for threats just a bullet".

    A spokesperson from UKIP said the councillor was "obviously joking"


    I doubt he was joking...
     
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  17. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    TM sounds just like Cameron. We will get the best deal possible, but we know it will not please everyone.

    Can I claim the prize for seeing Angela Merkel laugh when a German reporter asked "What motivated you to appoint Boris Johnson to be foreign secretary?"
     
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  18. yorkshirehornet

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    <laugh>
     
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  19. Mexican Hornet

    Mexican Hornet Well-Known Member

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    One squid was 27 pesos.

    Now it is 23.

    So maybe I can come to England with my previously devalued Pesos and now with the slightly better exchange rate have a cheaper time in Blighty....:emoticon-0111-blush...but I´d rather go to the coast here!!! ;)

    It screws up all the money made from exports from Mexico sent to the UK mind....the Narcos here must be devistated! ahahahahah <laugh><laugh>
     
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  20. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I know that one or two of you like a little flutter, so wondered where you would place your money. These odds are from SkyBet for when Article 50 will be lodged.

    • 2018 or later or not at all —2/1
    • January 1 to March 31 2017—2/1
    • April 1 to June 30 2017—5/2
    • October 1 to December 31 2016 —7/1
    • July 1 to September 30 2017— 8/1
    • October 1 to December 31 2017— 10/1
    • July 1 to September 20 2016— 20/1
     
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