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Match Day Thread Richmond Kickers v Swansea City

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Taffvalerowdy, Jul 16, 2016.

  1. Nosugarman1

    Nosugarman1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes the feelings were more positive than negative when he signed. A new player is like a new pair of hiking boots. You don't know how they will perform until you try them out.
     
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  2. seabreeze

    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    IMO the only reason Gomis was brought in was because the club was sure Bony was leaving that summer .
    When Bony couldn't transfer till January , the club told Gomis not to worry about game time because they were going to dabble in two up front .....a complete lie that Gomis certainly didn't appreciate by the time Bony headed for the hills in January .
    From the time Bony left till the closing of the window at the end of August Gomis was a complete success on the pitch but still unhappy with the club .
    When the window shut in August , Gomis missed his " Massive " payday in the Mideast along with his buyout money from us and became a shadow of the player he was through dissatisfaction in general .
    Throw in the stories after with Eder and Paloschi and it's more than apparent that the problem lies with not the strikers brought in ..l. It's the treatment of the strikers brought in .
     
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  3. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    Roof, where did you see that the club told Gomis they would play 2 up front, cant remember it.
     
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    The trouble with that analogy is that if you go offside with those hiking boots, you'll be off a cliff, never to be seen again...........<laugh>
     
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  5. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    There is only one problem at the club and that is letting Jenkins meddle with the playing side of things. He should not be anywhere near choosing players and as long as he is we will buy mostly the wrong type of players........We should have sorted our striker problem out before last season finished so when the window opened he could have joined the club......I also don't have much faith in the coming season.....
     
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  6. Jager

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    Well you were quite happy with Gomis, tell me why have you changed your mind? Also Jenkins has brought in some cracking players into the club over the years, you fawning over him for appointing Monk, then full of bile for any perceived failure just shows how fickle you are!

     
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  7. seabreeze

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    Was in the media somewhere around the Nov or so just before Bony left ....now whether it's true is subject to scrutiny ....but for me it fits with the time and happenings of the time .
    If Bony was sure to stay past the second summer , why bring Gomis in at 80,000 a week ? .
    The club knew that Bony was trying to leave in the summer , that's why ....it just took another window .
    Jenkin's and Monk thought Gomis was going to be our #1 striker by Sept 1 . When it didn't happen they had to soothe Gomis's ego as he rode the bench . Like I say , those are my thoughts .
    Bony wanted to leave after a season IMO.
    Gomis wanted to leave after a season IMO.
    Eder wanted to leave after a half season IMO.
    Paloschi wanted to leave after 7 starts IMO .
    There are gaps between club , scouting and coaching when it comes to strikers that need to be addressed IMO.
    I would have been totally happy with Paloschi and Eder leading the team forward this season and selling Ayew for big money .
    As it turned out , through the laws of practicality, I hope Ayew stays and becomes our # 1 striker .
     
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  8. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    So there is nothing definitive to say that Gomis was told we would play 2 up top.
     
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  9. seabreeze

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    Only a few media articles .....sorry , I wasn't in the room for discussions at the club.
    Gomis did an interview in the French media about broken promises by Swansea and media coverage came out about it in multi outlets from Jan 18 and 19 with a Wales on line article that brings up the two man up front issue
     
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  10. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    I haven't seen those media articles that's why I was asking.
     
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  11. swanseaandproud

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    Most on here were happy with Gomis when he joined <doh> But he proved he was not our type of player and i like many others changed our mind on him......that is allowed i take it.....
     
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  12. Jager

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    Yes it's allowed, but you blame Jenkins for bringing him in, you are basically using the benefit of hindsight to bash Jenkins over the head with the failing of Gomis. Yet you are being hypocritical with this, as you were happy at the time, yet you think that Jenkins should be akin to Dr Who and reverse the bringing him in here
     
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  13. Kifflom!

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    Ah I get it. When players don't work out we aren't allowed to criticise the Club. Got it. <ok>
     
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  14. seabreeze

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    From the time Bony played his last game tIll August 30 and the summer window closed , Gomis played 19 games and scored 10 goals . Certainly not a failure to that point .
    If he was allowed to leave by August 30 he would have made 8 million £ by the time that season was over between money we owed him and the 3 million in wages the Mideast club would have payed him .
    Meanwhile back at the ranch at Swansea a year later , disguised as a door , gets his knob shot off slowly collecting weekly cheques till he reaches 8 million ... Wasting time .
     
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  15. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    How about criticising the players? The club brings players in on the principle of them thinking these players will be good for our club. Why not blame the fans for having to much expectation on these players? They could be blamed for not supporting the players enough
     
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  16. Kifflom!

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    Yes I criticise under-performing players too. Absolutely.

    But the Club has to carry the can for not addressing how players they purchase fit into our team. Take Eder - he was under-used and not given much of a chance yet did well when he left, even scoring the winner last week in the Euro Finals. Even if we blame him we can also question why the Club, including our managers, didn't get the best out of him when he was here.

    Good players don't become bad ones overnight and Clubs have to look at themselves as well as the players if things aren't going well.

    As for blaming the fans, I think you'll find the fans were pretty patient with say, Gomis until enough was enough following weeks, even months of tosh.
     
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  17. Jager

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    That surely is down to the coach, which in the case of Eder was Monk for the most part, he left in January as he was not fitting in. If he's not doing well in training he's not going to play a part in the team. If he's underused it's surely up to him to make sure he's picked. In terms of that, who do you suggest we drop for him?

    As for being good when he left, that's the way it goes, he does well for one club but not another, sort of like Bony with Man City really. So who's to blame there? As for Gomis becoming crap, have you looked at much he has played in the second part of the season? He's had I think 3 full games and 10 or 15 minutes here and there, hardly time to score goals I think
     
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  18. Kifflom!

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    OK, whatever. You feel neither the Club nor its staff bears any responsibility for under-performing players. You feel that Gomis wasn't given enough opportunities. We get it. <ok>
     
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  19. Jager

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    Well you asked, and I gave my opinion, surely that's what you wanted? Perhaps if you were at training sessions you'd see what was going on, there can be many reasons for players not doing well there, and some of it not the club's fault. I can give you one thing though, perhaps the coaches felt that these players were not good enough!
     
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  20. seabreeze

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    Underperforming players ? .
    We bought only 3 players outright last season in both windows at a cost of 16.5 million .
    All will be gone before we kick a ball this season . All 3 will have a total career with us of 938 minutes ( the equivalent of 10 games out of a possible 114 games )
    I wouldn't say they underperformed , I'd say they were ignored by the coaching staff because of friction between the people who brought them in and the coaching staff .
    We were saved by :
    1: a free transfer
    2: Ditching Monk
    3 : Inserting Curtis and then Guidolin . .
     
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