The man who decides to pay too much then. Got it. What these superior minds do is identify a decent player, which us mere minions can see he is anyway. It's the suits who spend stupid money.
Would you prefer the suits to come back to the football men and say "you can't have him, pick someone else"?
The conversation is whether Pogba is worth the money. He isn't. No 'superior' mind will convince me otherwise. In that respect, yes I would rather they did say go find someone else.
I would say that depends on the basis for comparison. Ronaldo was an £80m player, so on that basis Pogba would only be worth £50-60m tops. But Ronaldo was an £80m player seven years ago and since then the money in football has almost doubled (PL TV money has almost trebled whilst our sponsorship and kit revenue has gone up 2.5 times). So playing £100m for Pogba now is the equivalent of paying £50-60m in 2009. Interesting side bar here (for those interested in that sort of stuff anyway) - the average increase in transfer prices over the past few decades would have seen us pay over £80m for Rio and Rooney if we bought them in 2015. And the £24m City spent on Adebayor in 2009 equated to £44m in 2015, meaning Ronaldo would have been close to £150m had he moved last summer. https://tomkinstimes.com/2015/07/the-100-most-expensive-pl-players-after-inflation/ Madly inflated it may be, but the more money TV companies and sponsors put into the game, the more money there will be to buy the same number of players, and the faster inflation will rise.
I can see the problem that people have when such huge figures are bandied around in the press but I wonder how all that fee will be broken down. If it's the usual 30m if his mother has twins, 15m for ballon d'or etc - but the actual fee paid to the club to release him to us is nearer the 50 million mark then I would be more than happy with that
Kante has chosen to follow the money and leave Leicester for some mid table club. This is the first step in the process for Pogba to come to you - Juventus want Matic first and he is more likely to leave now.
I think you need to ask yourself this. Will you like to get Pogba playing for United ? If you say yes, then would you like to buy him from Juventus if he is keen to play for United ? If yes, how much would you pay for him? £50m - £60m? I would say leave this calculation of investment v/s return to the United executives. Their job is to work out whether Pogba is worth it at a higher fee. We have no way of knowing what marketing, sponsorship or other plans they have to recoup that money. Having the worlds most expensive player could be a marketing point. The same thing with martial. At the time, many people said he was too expensive. Yes, he was and probably is still. But the point was that if we didn't pay that money, he wouldn't be here. What United is doing is living within their means. Real aren't (according to uefa who accuse them of illegal subsidies ). If I can easily afford a BMW I don't have to stick to a Ford. And if the owner of that nice Bmw with the colour and specifications I want asks for a relatively higher price and I can afford it why not?
I clearly haven't made it clear enough. He's not worth the money because he's not that good. That is why he's not worth the money. I don't need to ask myself anything as I really couldn't care a **** whether he comes back to United or not as i KNOW he's not as good as some of you clearly think he is. Which is why, to me, he is not worth the money. Hope that is now crystal. On my part.
I remember us paying a record £1M for a non-league striker and thinking that was one of the stupidest transfer deals that I have seen - that guy was Jaime Vardy. While this is on a much, much larger scale, in the grand scheme of things it is a better deal for you then Vardy was for us - Pogba is a key player for a top level club and country despite his tender years, he knows this league and you can easily afford him with the TV deal and being the richest club in the world. Also another reason for the value is is that you have Woodward negotiating for you - I bet Juventus originally wanted something rather sensible like £20M for Pogba but got argued up. Tottenham were offered Martial for £18M a few months before you were after him and became £60M.
This is the beauty about football. Everyone will have their own opinion and most will think that theirs is the right/sensible/objective one.
I think the fact some of you on here took my post about Mignolet letting in 48 goals out of 50 seriously is a little bit daft tbh.
So Chelsea sign Kante and look like they're in for Mahrez. They sell Matic to Juventus to part finance it who then sell us Pogba as they've got his replacement. Who's got the best deals in all this? Anyway, let's see how it pans out, bored of it all now. What will a happen will happen.
Exactly what I was thinking earlier. Kante going to Chelsea has effectively started the chain reaction. The minute Matic gets moved on you're pretty much guaranteed Pogba is going to Utd. So for example you pay 100mil for Pogba. Chelsea sell Matic for 20mil??. Buy Kante for 30mil. Buy Mahrez for 40mil?? They've spent 50mil and have 2 players that have proven champion quality (and know each others game very well). Add the wages into the mix and I'd be quite confident that Pogba's wages would cover both Kante and Mahrez's. It's an interesting one for sure. Chelsea surely have done the best business if this all plays out like it's looking? So a simple way of looking at it is... Would you rather have 1 Pogba or Kante and Mahrez with 50mil to spend. I'd take the pair for sure.
Your math is skewed! You're taking Matic's fee out of Chelsea's expenditure yet making direct comparisons. Why? If Pogba comes to United, we would have to sell players as well, and possibly at least two from the midfield area because Mourinho likes a compact team. If we use the same metric that you've used on Chelsea by subtracting outgoing fees, Pogba could end up costing United only £50m. Yes, the wages would be higher, but so would other off field events that would come with Pogba. With all that said, I still think Chelsea got a great deal (if they get both players) but I wouldn't make direct comparison to Pogba's effect if he does indeed come.
Jose has a point to prove. he also has superior knowledge of the PL and can now take advantage of any scouting knowledge that he had from Chelsea and add that to he reporting available to him at OT. If he is targeting Pogba so vigorously knowing that X, Y or Z are also available then you have to accept that the guy knows what he is on about. Let him get on with it - all his other signings seem to be a good fit, so let's reserve judgement and see what comes of it.
Funny, I remember you asking the same last year about whether we'd rather have Martial or Pedro with 20mil to spend. Ask me again next June Also we don't really need Kante and Mahrez as we already have Schneiderlin, Martial and Mickey - Mahrez would be a good addition to the squad, but not worth missing out on a dynamic box to box CM, which is the one thing our squad currently needs imo.
True I'm guessing with Pogba coming in then Bastian would be the first out? I did hear that you'd have to pay 14mil to get rid, not that I really believe that tbh. I'm guessing Mata, Herrera, Blind, Afro man and Carrick could all potentially be on the chopping board. I only used Matic as an example because if he goes to Juve then surely that means they're selling Pogba. But I get your point.
