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The steward thread.

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by GLP, Jul 15, 2016.

  1. DMD

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    Not so obvious, because my answer informs the answer to the one asked. The behaviour of fans is a factor in the controls required, and age is one factor that can be used when predicting behaviour. Some controls could include extra stewards. It could be felt that a higher than usual proportion of younger visiting attendees could need extra stewards to help in the case of an emergency.
     
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  2. Barchullona

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    Age has nothing to do with. Can't recall the exact criteria but off the top of my head they are something like this-

    Stewarding

    i. Numbers of stewards and the Stewarding Plan:
    Having appointed a responsible person to the role of Safety Officer it is essential that the Chairman and Directors give the Safety Officer the tools to effectively manage safety on a match day. It is a fact that the person responsible for safety will not be able to manage safety on his or her own.

    This is why the Chairman and Directors must ensure that on the day of the match there are sufficient stewards on duty to look after the care, safety and security of spectators, players and match officials. Club senior management must not forget that when considering safety they must not overlook their responsibilities for the safety and wellbeing of players and officials whilst the game is under way.

    The key question that is often asked is ‘How many stewards do I need on a match day?’

    If there is a Safety Certificate in force for the ground then this will normally prescribe the number of stewards required before the turnstiles can be opened on a match day. The Green Guide recommends a ratio of 1 steward for every 250 of the anticipated spectator attendance at the game. But that ratio should only be applied once all the requisite number of static steward posts has been determined. These are positions in the ground where a steward will be required to be located throughout the duration of the game, for example at a stadium exit gate, and the number of static posts will vary from ground to ground. It is therefore important for the Safety Officer to determine the number of static steward posts required for both normal and high profile matches. This will normally be based on risk assessments carried out by the Safety Officer.

    Every ground and crowd expectations will be different and whilst guidance is available on assessing the number of stewards required for a match the process is very simple as the following indicates.

    The Safety Officer should firstly consider:

    • In addition to the person in charge is there a requirement for any steward supervisors? It may well be that the person in charge is all the supervision required at smaller grounds. At larger grounds it may be that a steward supervisor is required for each stand.
    The Safety Officer should then walk the ground with a plan and mark out:

    • The number of static posts, such as entrances and exits, thatshould be permanently manned by stewards. These stewards would normally be positioned there to ensure that there is no unauthorised access to the ground and, in an emergency, that gates can be opened to allow fans to leave quickly.

    • The number of gates in the pitch perimeter fence barrier that might need to be opened in an emergency. A steward should ideally be placed on each of those gates and each of those steward positions should be considered a static post.
    The Safety Officer should then also consider:

    • Is there a need for additional stewards to be placed on the pitch perimeter to prevent spectators gaining unauthorised access to the field of play?

    • The number of stewards that would be required to respond to any incidents which might affect spectator safety or disrupt the normal operation of the ground.
    The Safety Officer should then set out the steward numbers and their locations in a document called the Stewarding Plan.

    As said earlier there is no master blueprint which will cover every ground or every event. That is why the Stewarding Plan must be ground and event specific and the best person to determine this is the person responsible for safety at the ground. Stewarding Plans will vary greatly from club to club. At some grounds, it might be determined that in addition to the Safety Officer only 3 to 4 stewards are necessary, but at the larger grounds 50 plus stewards might be needed. The important thing is that the Safety Officer records how he/she determined the number of stewards required in the Stewarding Plan.
     
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  3. originallambrettaman

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    The amount of stewards at a game is based on the league guidelines, how they are deployed within the ground is determined by the perceived risk and from that point of view their are more stewards at areas with some of the younger fans. Away fans are assessed based on past experience and reputation and certain clubs do require extra stewarding, but there's never been any mention of the ages of those attending at any of the meetings I've been at.
     
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    As I put, age is one factor in considering, amongst other things, these elements of your reply. A lot of the changes to stadium design and safety have age as factor in the design brief.

    • Is there a need for additional stewards to be placed on the pitch perimeter to prevent spectators gaining unauthorised access to the field of play?

    The number of stewards that would be required to respond to any incidents which might affect spectator safety or disrupt the normal operation of the ground.
    The Safety Officer should then set out the steward numbers and their locations in a document called the Stewarding Plan.
     
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  5. DMD

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    A lot is implicit rather than explicit. Some away fans are described as having a notable youth element, some are described as sedate, and some have reference to the number of OAP's. That informs the opinions on if they're liable to be lively or require extra assistance with stairs, which in turn informs stewarding.

    Just because they don't ascribe a number to it, it's still there as a factor, and is a consideration. There will be discussions outside of the formal SAG meeting too.
     
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    I doubt if they think the number of under 10s will affect the number of stewards required unless the Safety Officer thinks they will break away from their parents en masse (most PLclubs won't allow unaccompanied young people in, up to 15 in some cases, another thing which will have long term repercussion) and attack terrified away fans or stage a pitch invasion.
     
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    So do I. But even they will recognise the different factors to consider with 2,000 under tens needing evacuating quickly, or 2,000 18 to 30 year olds at a game with previous history.

    I'm surprised this has even ended up as a discussion. I just assumed it was common sense and common knowledge.
     
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    Don't know how true it is, but , heard a rumour that the club have a vacancy for a child catcher, role similar to the one in chitty chitty bang bang!
     
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    Half an hour ago I thought maybe this finally going to happen, we nust might see the back of the Allams.

    Now I'm reading pointless crap about stewards.

    FFS.
     
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  10. Barchullona

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    Except it doesn't happen.
     
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    Apart from the times it does, you're quite right. <ok>
     
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    Please sell DR Allam. Please sir :emoticon-0106-cryin
     
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    It doesn't. The bloke in charge of safety doesn't ask the proportion of young people from the club or ring up the away club for a breakdown of the ages of their fans. If we get new owners and they decided to give away tickets to schools to build up support at a game there would be no more stewards on duty than the week before.
     
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  14. Happy Tiger

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    Can someone move the posts arguing about stewards and suchlike to it's own thread pls?
     
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    The Stewards posts are doing my nut in - get your arrogant selves off this thread - you have some cheek posting that stuff here at this moment in time.
     
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  16. Barchullona

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    Its, Happy.:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  17. Barchullona

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    Which moment in time is this that you refer to? Of course you could have written now.
     
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  18. DMD

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    It is a bloody daft discussion. What it does show is that some people have a peculiar idea of how things work, and that includes the sale.

    Anyway, I only looked in to see if a few things I've been told about recent happenings are public yet. Seems not.
     
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    Positive or negative?
     
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  20. richsmith

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    The problem was not the people manning them. Before they removed the turnstile staff there was not as big of a problem.

    Trying to use stewards to do safety checks and searches along with checking people entering the ground was too much. It is not physically possible to watch the lights check and check out the lights for more than one turnstile at a time and with the lights as they were setup. People were already inside the ground once any errors were highlighted made it difficult to control.

    The turnstile staff were told not to check and to get people in as quick as possible due to the lage number of people waiting to get in. Once people realised there was little or no checks the adults using kids tickets increased
     
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