Managing a prem team. Pros and cons for either? Not a SA thread as there are 20 teams in the prem. Can anyone make a case for either?
Most like being a club manager as it's week in, week out. That said... The ultimate goal for any manager has to be the world cup... Win one of them and I doubt you'd swap it for 10 premier league titles.
Just with all the high profile managers in the prem this coming season. How many would quit for england or their home country?
I think a lot of it is about the stages of their careers. Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho will likely manage their nations as they get older. That said international football is becoming devalued year on year.
An international manager only has a specific pool of players to choose from (unless its eire in which case consumption of a guiness qualifies you ). A premier team manager can buy players of any nationality and there fore has a larger pool provided the chairman/owner backs you with funds of course
England will always be a big pull for English managers, the rewards of success is a legendary status and more. The punishment for failure is minimal, as we're so used to it.
Depends on their personal feelings - personally I do not care that much about the national team. I think they are a bunch of overpaid overated w**kers as are a lot of the plastics who support them (referring to England btw). I also think that the press have too much influence on the national team (among other things) this episode with Sam is a perfect example. A couple of years ago he was a long ball specialist who was not good enough for our world cup winners West Ham now he is the bees knees and is forward thinking with his sports science methods. In a couple of years time if he does take the job see what their reaction will be when he has a few bad results. Personally I think he is mad if he is offered and takes the job but obviously he thinks of it differently.
None of them would I'd imagine, unless they're motivated by money or they've run out of challenges at club level. Even then though, people like Fergie would never take that job, never ever. That's why I want Sam, at least he's dreamt of being the manager, Klinsmann hasn't.
BSA has great chance of success as he has always had players playing to their strengths with England will have the best English players to improve - jobs a goodun in my opinion - success
I think that goes back to the point about club managers not being limited by the nationality of a player. I'll stand by what I said before the Euros- the pool of available English talent isn't very good at the moment. So he won't have the option of buying a ****-hot centre back and defensive midfielder for next to nowt when he realises what he's got aren't good enough.
True but he has a track record of getting the best out of his players and I think we have a clutch of talented young English players comming through -- we'll MAYBE soon find out
He's never been afraid to use experienced players though. I could see him playing John Terry if he needs to, or Defoe, or Carrick... unpopular with Hodgson for being on the way out. The pool is small, you're right but maybe he's the type of manager who'll get the Mark Noble's and the Ryan Shawcross' of this world, believing they have a future in the England set up. Leicester, Portugal, Wales... these teams have proven it's not about just the quality of each individual player, but the bond in the unit as a whole.
Good point. I'd have had several of those players in the Euro 2016 squad to be honest (and before you say it, I don't just mean Defoe!). The problem with a lot of the players that went to the Euros is that they don't seem to have the requisite attitude to emulate Wales/Leicester/Portugal/Iceland. Can Allardyce change those attitudes? Despite what several on here will say, I can't think of any definite evidence to suggest that he'd be any more successful at that than anyone else. If he can't, he has fewer opportunities to bring in players with the right attitude than he would have if he was a club manager.
Only time will tell mate, but what I do know, is I don't want Steve Bruce, I don't want Eddie Howe and I definitely don't want Alan Pardew. Allardyce laughing at that Swansea player always sticks in my mind, he won't stand for ****. Hodgson was happy to stand for ****, in ****, behind ****, lying down whilst people tipped **** in his mouth, he was pathetic from the day he turned up and he's never handled the pressure. Allardyce absolutely thrives on pressure, you know that surely. Klinsmann... I don't know enough about him to say he's worth a job.
Who? Dele Alli, Pickford maybe, Rashford perhaps. I think many of the other players in the England Euro 2016 squad, and many who didn't make it, are overrated simply because they're English and we're producing so few good players now
Oh yeah, he'd be a better England manager than those three! Not standing for **** can blow up in your face though- just ask Paolo di Canio! I suppose really what I'm saying is, I don't know why anyone would want to be England manager when national expectation is so high but the reality is, the players aren't up to those expectations.
