I agree with your views it just seems during my tenure as a Sunderland fan since early 60''s we seem to get embroiled in many messy issues over footballing matters. BUT I know we'll be ok I'm just not comfortable hence we have many views on here to keep us going in the mental area
Exactly. God loves a trier but I'm not God, I appreciate the money he's put in but how often has it been chucking good money after bad?
Ellis is not football savvy enough but is a very successful businessman . BSA is football savvy and is probably going to his dream job . Our predicament is to overcome another in a long list of these setbacks - Consecratio Excellentiae
i haven't a clue, but you would like to think he would have learned something about running a football club by now.
Are you reading Wandy? 7 years he has owned the club. You'd think/hope he would have a bit of (how you say) savvy by now.
True but it's poor football advice and circumstances when he came that have derailed him . I'm not happy mind - he should have got his head around his project instead of relying on others input - but that's partly my opinion and the football business has massively altered while he's been here
Then he listens to the wrong people and makes bad decisions. I don't call that business savvy. His first mistake was thinking Quinn had any kind of footballing business head, he put faith in him for years.
I think we all probably agree Quinn aura, passion and football knowledge were pretty unique here not his football business sense - his managership seemed to back thus up. But football is not in essence a business it's been made into a money orientated business so maybe does'nt fit smoothly with Ellis undoubted business acumen . Anyway it's onwards for us no good looking to deeply at possible causes
Yes always a business - initially a feel good sporting business now money orientated and way past the tipping point of sport - pretty ruthless at times
Business is business, categorise it how you want if it makes you feel better in some way. The books have always had to be balanced to keep clubs afloat. Basic principles apply the same as in any business.
Yes its business and It does'nt make me feel any better what it's focus is but it would make me feel better if we had a stable successful Sunderland
Mate I see reports about Everton, Palace and West Ham throwing big money around. I am not saying its on very good players but I cant see how we can compete with even those clubs at this stage.
So, just to summarise for myself mainly, if I understand correctly what Bri and Tel have both said, we can't compete at the moment because of the losses we've made over the last few years or so. As Tel says, its worked out over a 4 year period up to a certain amount - £100m loss(?). We've spend a load on crap and haven't recovered on those players. I can only assume that those clubs mentioned haven't made the same level of losses and therefore are free to spend what they want, if they can afford it, which they clearly can. So, its not necessarily Short's fault because in his early days he took it on trust that the managers like O'Neill, Keane and Bruce knew what the hell they were doing. But they didn't!! And we're still paying the price for it! Is that about right?
Revenue is the magic word fella. Ours is **** because of our wage bill. Now the size of the wage bill isn't the issue as such, it's the rolling year on year situation where we've got highly payed players not good enough to play. This is what's limiting us. We don't have the freedom with wages to complete because of all these players. You may say ok, Fletch and what not are finally gone. But now we have Rodwells and Lens on big wages and they may not feature much again, we'll almost certainly struggle to get them to move on for less money. So the cycle continues. Until we get continuity and nail a few transfer windows like we did in Jan, we're going to struggle to break the cycle and compete. Too much of our revenue is spent on over paid players not playing.
It's why Sam leaving would be devastating. Could lead to previously in favour players being put out in the cold like happens with every manager we get, and we've got even more unmovable players. Manager turnover is definitely the thing causing most of these problems imo so can't stress enough the need for continuity and giving a manager time to build and evolve his own team.
