Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

I am sure that as you are a grammar school educated person you are fully aware of the meaning of the suffix 'lite' in modern English usage and so your response does not seem to be very sensible. I expected better from you.

 

I wonder how long the union leaders will support him if the Labour Party actually splits though. They don't need to rush things but if the majority of MPs form a breakaway party with a minority of Labour Party members but the support of the majority of Labour Party voters will the Unions decide they need to support those with more of a base in Parliament. They may want to make their decision before the next general election but it may not be clear what may happen at the general election.

 

I thought it was more interesting - better than the standard response from the crazies.

 

He said he was but as you all call him a liar what do you expect

 

Exactly mate, I've said the same for years. Many over here see it as an option to working. No, it's a safety net that's there should you be unable to find any paid work.

I see our examples have already been cast aside by the Hull bloke, but they do prove a point, as if you want to work and you're not too proud or lazy to take what's there as a stop gap, you can invariably find it. If my lad wasn't going back to Uni I have no doubt he'd find a job that he would over time turn into a career.

You do what you have to do to support yourself and make your own way in life. It's a principle I've drilled into mine and I'm proud that they all have a very strong work ethic.

 

The Labour Party said he was a member of the Labour Party.
But then who can you believe nowadays (or themadays) - was Corbyn pro-EU or anti-EU? was May pro-EU or anti-EU?

 

What a ****ing embarrassment.

What part of - this bloke is a political dead duck - haven't both Corbyn himself and the Union leaders managed to process?

 

Is Juncker pro-EU or anti-EU? - he seems to be trying to mess up the EU; or at least a lot of the EU states leaders think so.

 

Exactly, mate. He's tearing the whole party apart!...

 

Juncker is an arch federalist. However, as he recently found out there is no appetite amongst the people of Europe for a federal state.

He's been put back in his box, along with the other federalists.

 

But then, Jesus never was renowned for his sense of humour...

 

I never cast it aside, it actually supports the point I'm making, because the examples you quote are people having to struggle through part time and bits of jobs to eventually get to a decent career, rather than the opportunities being readily available.

A problem currently is that jobs are so low paid, some don't feel it's worth eating some of the **** on offer. I've encouraged plenty to ignore the reaction of some of their so called betters, and make the best of the system, as poor as it is. Many of the jobs are so vulnerable, it's hard to encourage some workers into long term thinking.

I think you'll find life much smoother if you stopped trying to hide behind polemics, and tried to discuss with a view to informing and being informed. It really doesn't have to be about winning and losing.

 

How can someone claim to be Labour and at the same time promise to follow Tory spending plans for at least 2 years during the 1997 election campaign. He deceived us all it seems, but after Thatcher/Major even Genghis Khan would have seemed a good choice.

 

I read that Merkel was presenting a more moderate message, but do you feel that Junkers is in his box long term or until it blows over? Does he have much support with his colleagues?

 

Blair was clever, he knew Labour would never be elected as a left wing party, so he ****ed them to the right and Bobs your uncle he got elected.

 

It's never been any different, low paid jobs have always been low paid jobs. In fact the arrival of the living wage has made it better of late, as the rates are now half sensible and it's had an inflationary effect at the lower end of the pay scale. The fact that people know there's work on offer, but choose not to bother is exactly the point being made. No-one's saying it's easy, nor that it's a utopia, but it's been far, far worse than it is today, and there's still a hardcore of long term unemployed in this country who are taking the piss, and blaming their own woes on others, without as much as a glance in the mirror

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How much do the media need to look at themselves for their coverage of events?

There seems to be a fashion for interviewers to be adversarial rather than searching for a clearer picture.

I've seen quite a few where the interviewer set out to make a personal point, which ate up so much time there was no real opportunity to discuss the actual issues.

 

QED.

 

Apparently, shortly after the Brexit vote some fellow federalists from France & Italy went to Juncker and effectively said, 'now we've got rid of them, we can move forward with unification'. It was Juncker who told them No, there's no appetite for it.

TBH, he's always been a federalist. I doubt that's changed. But, he's also a politician who's savvy enough to know which way the wind blows.