No - I invoked ̶A̶r̶t̶i̶c̶l̶e̶ ̶5̶0̶ the ignore button a good while ago. And if that remains the standard of his comments, I'm ever so glad that I did.
She has promised to put a Brexiter in charge, I would say she will choose Michael Gove, Liam Fox or her campaign manager Chris Grayling, all competent operators. UKIP obviously wanted a leave candidate to be PM but May has expressed dissatisfaction with Europe for years. UKIP may be around longer than was imagined if they see themselves as keeping the government on its Brexit toes. She was the best candidate by far to unite the party and the country. She has ruled out the chance of a general election before 2020 but like all woman is liable to change her mind if there is a prospect of gaining another 80+ seats against a warring opposition.
I trust you cleared this with Hornette before you posted it. Is there a word for a phobia against women?
Ouch! I know my statement was small potatoes but it was the principle I was trying to get across. You have my sympathy. And my support when arguing the case against those who seem to think that this mess is a wonderful thing.
Interesting US perspective: The Rise of Theresa May and the Decline of British Politics By Amy Davidson , July 11, 2016 Perhaps Theresa May, the presumptive new Prime Minister of Britain, can make the country seem a little less leaderless. Credit PHOTOGRAPH BY CARL COURT / GETTY the Queen is out of town. Brexit has not brought out the best in British political culture, and one can say that even as an American in the age of Donald Trump. The largest issues have been the careless smashing of alliances, the lies to and the scorn for voters (by both sides, if more by Leave) that enabled the Brexit victory, and the realization by non-British E.U. citizens that many of their neighbors view them as contemptible foreigners. But it’s worth noting that the whole shakeup has been conducted with a striking lack of dignity. Some of the most absurd claims have been pronounced in what Sarah Vine, the wife of the Justice Minister, Michael Gove, referred to in a parody-defying Daily Mail column as “erudite vowel sounds.” (Such sounds were how she could tell that the reporters gathered outside her window, as the sun rose on the Brexit vote tally, “weren’t the usual nocturnal neighbourhood ne’er-do-wells.”) Gove, who was Johnson’s sidekick in the Leave campaign, turned on him, which meant that they both went down fast in the Tory leadership race, with much talk in the tabloids about knives in backs and fronts. The final self-inflicted blow, by May’s last-standing rival, the Energy Minister, Andrea Leadsom, was what might be called Mumgate. It started when the Times of London ran an interview with Leadsom on Friday with the headline BEING A MOTHER GIVES ME EDGE ON MAY—LEADSOM Tory minister says she will be better leader because childless home secretary lacks ‘stake in future’ It went on to quote Leadsom, who often included the phrase “as a mum” in her pro-Leave statements, as saying that May “possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people. But I have children who are going to have children who will directly be a part of what happens next.” This, she said, set her apart from May as a potential leader. She added, “I am sure Theresa will be really sad she doesn’t have children, so I don’t want this to be ‘Andrea has children, Theresa hasn’t,’ because I think that would be really horrible.” But, she went on, “genuinely I feel that being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.” In other words, Andrea has children; Theresa hasn’t. As a matter of logic, this disparagement of childless leaders is ludicrous. There are good and bad leaders with and without children, and one can just as glibly argue that the focus on one’s own children’s fortunes can be distracting for a politician. Among the more incoherent elements in Leadsom’s remarks to the Times was that May might think about the long-term state of the economy, while she herself would be properly focussed on her children’s more immediate job prospects. It is all the more strange for a spokesperson for Leave, a campaign built around the irrational power of patriotism, to assume that abstract love of country would not be motive enough. And, as a matter of politics, Leadsom’s comments were a wreck. She insulted the childless, and she seemed personally cruel to May, who has quietly said in the past that she is, indeed, sad about having never had children. (May, who is fifty-nine, has been married to her husband, a banker she met when they were both students at Oxford, for thirty-five years.) A Conservative M.P., Sir Alan Duncan, called the remarks “vile,” tweeting, “I’m gay and in a civil partnership. No children, but ten nieces and nephews. Do I not have a stake in the future of the country?” Leadsom, as it happens, is also opposed to same-sex marriage. She might be understood, in American terms, as a cross between Carly Fiorina and Michele Bachmann, except with less experience than either. She responded to the Mumgate criticism by attacking the Times, tweeting that the story was “truly appalling and the exact opposite of what I said. I am disgusted.” Leadsom demanded that the paper release the transcript, which it did, along with the audio, and which not only confirmed the story but made Leadsom look worse. When the Times asked, “What is the main difference between you and Theresa May?,” her children and her “huge” family were practically the first things that Leadsom mentioned, after a passing reference to her knowledge of the economy and her “optimism.” She may have wanted to keep any discussion of her business career brief. Her years in the City, London’s financial district, had been one of her main political selling points, until it emerged that her résumé was exaggerated. Her claims that she had helped steer Barclays through the financial crisis were, according to executives who spoke to the Financial Times, based on a “somewhat fanciful” view of her position there. She hadn’t been headhunted to work at a hedge fund as a managing director; she had been a marketing director, and had been hired by her brother-in-law, who ran the fund. life back.”) Perhaps May can make the country seem a little less leaderless. Now Britain just needs to figure out where it’s headed. As he walked back into Number 10, Cameron, apparently not realizing his microphone was still on, was caught singing a little humming ditty. It went something like this: “Too-too, doh-doh, right.”
bullied by an overwhelmingly pro remain media and sadly too naive to deal with the pressure. It is another example of a media run country, frustrating, though i don't think she was ready to take the helm in fairness.
we are all affected, we expected to be and as i've said a few times, the down side has to be that for the short term things will get worse. I have accepted that the decision i made to vote leave would adversely affect me, and my friends and a lot of people i know, in the short term. But i made that decision for my children, and my children's children. It's never been about the money in my pocket, it's been about the decisions this country can make without the shackles of the EU for the future.
I think you will find that the TImes and Mirror came out on the side of Remain - but the rest did not (Sun, Mail, Express etc). The BBC as always probably got it about right as most Remain voters accuse them of being biased towards Leave and vice versa. H - watch the video of Leadsom and read the transcript of her speech; also see the facts about her CV - she was incompetent - if too naive in the campaign, would you trust her to lead your country- or to negotiate your Leave deal? Please tell us what these shackles are? If the econoomy gets worse then how does it suddenly get better at a later date? Tell me how leaving a market of 500 million people with whom we trade without tariffs is a shackle. Tell me how negotiating trade deals with China, India, Canada, the USA from the strength of a 500 million market place instead of a 60 million one makes you stronger - or puts shackles on you. Tell me how having the right to stay out of the Euro and of ever closer European Union introduces shackles. Tell me how many decisions of the European Court have been wrong. Tell me how voluntarrily entering into a Club or Alliance of our own free will is reduction of Sovereignty or a shackle. Sorry H - the Leave campaign inspired by the hatred and xenophobia of UKIP duped too many people and Boris Johnson used his popularity to win a campaign he did not want towin. (I can think of one former poster on this site who will be delighted with the result - and we saw his truecolours before he quit). Leave have wrecked the future for all our grandchildren - my children are all furious. Very few people who understand finance and economics think we have avoided shackles but instead have lowered our future prosperity.
Brexit will prove to be the best result as Europe seems to be in meltdown. Italy's banks are in a terrible state which will cause hardship and poor growth for years. In France, Patrick Calvary, chief of the directorate general of internal security told members of the French parliamentary commission: "we are on the brink of civil war" "This confrontation I think will happen" He believes another Islamist terrorist attack or mass migrant sexual assault could lead to a huge right-wing backlash. In Germany a leaked report revealed a staggering 1,200 women were sexually abused in German cities during the New Yer's Eve celebrations. The police document said detectives believe 2,000 men were involved across varies cities but that the bulk of the crimes were committed in Cologne and Hamburg. And we thought we had problems.
I certainly voted to remain thinking of my children and grandchildren rather than myself. Seeing the money that goes back into the UK for research alone, something that is for the future rather than today, is something that the UK government will never be able to provide. Already as Yorkie pointed out the other day this funding is disappearing, and what is currently the top country in the world for research will find itself in a backwater unable to attract the top brains. Also wherever there is a rise in nationalism comes a number of idiots who believe it is the cue for them to start hate crime. I have seen it in France where the FN has gathered support, with attacks on synagogues, burning peoples homes, just because they are who they are. You can find it in any country including the UK where people are led to believe that they are better than the minority. Why are the police reporting a sudden rise in hate attacks since the referendum? Trying to learn to live with your neighbours is something I applaud, and do not see it as a shackle in any shape or form. To isolate yourself, then think that the world will want to be your best friend is wishful thinking.
I have a number of friends from the USA, supposedly a new rich and fertile market, who are aghast at what we have done..... Basically upset the world order for our own gain.. I know many of us question the notion of the world order .... but we had a half decent place.... one of the richest countries in the world etc etc It will take years to make good the short term losses....
The people that succeed are the ones that go against the herd or lemmings. There will be a lot of money made betting on the recovery of sterling and FTSE 250.
Oh well that is great - rich people with money to play with can get even richer by creating misery for everybody else.
They are rich because they are smarter than the majority that panic at short term hiccups. Many moaned about the value of their pensions when the UK left the ERM only to find it led to many years of growth. Perhaps the present gloom from some should be encouraged as it leaves great opportunities for anybody willing to look at things long term.
