He has had a lot of private health care funded by others as well mate, who knows if he's been to CBT and what not. I think people's gripe with him is that many people such as yourself are not afforded such luxuries relying on state support. I've no doubt that when he's released from rehab he's not even half way there but I find it hard to believe that he's never had privately funded support mentally, he's being rehabilitated in the most expensive clinics in the world sometimes and surely they'd be giving him some sort of mental support guidance. He might not be you know, but it'd seem odd for his family and good mates to just fund half of his rehabilitation.
My 'gripe' is that many people talk about his serious mental illnesses and pleas for help. It's mostly guesswork ....... as are my thoughts that he's probably gay and might just be a daft lad who likes getting pissed. As someone from the NE he certainly wouldn't be the first and won't be the last.
I understand your strife, I have battled everyone for Lorraine over the last 7 years, every day another problem, people can just not see that. If it was all about the ticks of boxes on a clipboard then my lass would be hunky dory and I would have had a life for the last 7 years. My son has lost out on me big style, we were so so close it was unbelievable but the circumstances of my life has destroyed so much. I put it this way mate, what goes around comes around and I would love to see people in my situation, no doubt you would too..
He's always got cuts on his head, you'd think he pad the corners of his tables before cracking open the Special Brew.
You can't treat someone for the supposed root cause of their addiction if they don't want to be helped. Often people have a driver that sets them off on the path, but the addiction takes over and so you need to treat the addiction. An alcoholic drinks because they're addicted to alcohol. What you're suggesting i.e. counselling, goes had in hand with addiction treatment already. But the first step is the detox, they can't try to solve the underlying issues until they're clean. Once clean then they need to want to stay that way, and many alcoholics simply don't. They get complacent and have one.....only a genuine alcoholic can't just have one, and you end up with the likes of poor Gazza in the OP. He's had more chances than most, his celebrity mates all clubbing in to send him to the States for 2 months the other year being the latest. Kenny Samson is another in the same boat.
Alcohol blots it out, cuts, abrasions are all a part of the deal.. head in the fuse box full force would be his best football move, he has left a lot of people empty and in need by his stuff and the reason for the fuse box stuff, I do believe he is to far gone now to care anymore..
His lights on, everyone else's dead...yep I can see that like.. But if it finds him god as the untouchable, then let the ****er stew in churches every Sunday until he's 107
I haven't suggested counselling anywhere and wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Any man and his dog can become a counsellor with very little training. Not remotely what I suggested and not remotely a sutible course of treatment.. I've worked in private mental health care btw, I'm not just a certified 'nutter', I consider it my field and when I'm ready for work I'll return to it as that's where my experience and qualifications lie. I know how it works effectively and certainly know the difference between cognitive behavioral therapy and counselling.
Actually first half of his detox would run through the assessment period, the second half would run into the initial treatment period where he'd start CB along side his detox. Then he'd come off the detox plan once his body is physically capable of it and continue with the other therapies like OT in edition CBT. You don't do one first and then move on to the next like you're suggesting, you layer it through phases in accordence with his care plan. The NHS does this also, only problem is the care plans are tailored around resources in the NHS, that doesn't happen in private care. Gazza of course was sectioned into NHS Care not private. St Anne's in Poole in case anybody wants to tell me I'm guessing.
His last treatment was in Phoenix Arizona wasn't it? I've watched a family member die from alcoholism and lived with another one to boot. I have a mixture of feelings about the issue tbh. I think everyone is different so it's wrong to generalise, but once the drink takes hold, the power of the drug dictates their lives. What's gone before becomes somewhat irrelevant to the addiction in my experience.
That was a rehab center not a mental health hospital. Different things. I'm on about at the point of sectioning. Best time to treat somebody is when they a rock bottom, as you've said you have to want to be helped. Getting people at rock bottom gives you the best possible chance to tap into the underlining issues because they're at the point they're crying for help. I grew up with an alcoholic parent. So it's an iffy subject to me too and I'm very touchy on the subject. I understand the frustration of the sheer selfishness involved. But I do know any substance abuse is a by product of underlining issues. You can't just treat the abuse, you need to sort the thing that's driving them to abuse in the first place. Otherwise the relapses tend to continue and they'll continue to hurt themselves and loved ones as well as cost the tax player a fortune. I mean look at the picture, he's broken, you can't have people walking the streets like that. He needs locking up for however long it takes. Now, while he's a train wreck.
I agree mate, but I think after all the help he's had over the years that he's proved he'll just return to that state sooner or later and it's bloody sad to see. Having heard him speak about his alcoholism after his last detox, I think he's still delusional about his drinking tbh. I think we both know how this one ends pal.
Fair dos fella, Way I see it the care on offer in this country is inadequate underfunded and geared toward damage limitation. Oh he's going to kill himself. No doubt about it. Too far gone, Damaged beyond repair. It's all too common sadly.
Will he get given a new liver if necessary? Will that liver be denied somebody else perhaps who may not be an alcoholic. That's what troubled me most about George Best, the fact that he ****ed his own then the next one and meanwhile others who had liver diseases may have died.
No idea if you can help with this mate but I've asked this a few times before. What's the difference between an alcoholic and someone who has endless funds, opportunities and the wish to get pissed? Is everyone who likes getting smashed an alcoholic? People always claim Gascoigne is seriously mentally ill but I wonder how they're so sure.
There's a huge difference between a heavy drinker and a full blown alcoholic A heavy drinker can function without a drink and doesn't suffer the withdrawal that can kill an alcoholic, as it nearly did Gascoigne the last time round. Heavy drinking can and does cause damage to the body and often the lives of those who drink and live with the drinker, but an alcoholic is truly dependant on the drink and literally lives for it. Whether Gascoigne is mentally ill is a matter of debate, but is going to the offy minus your skids in a dressing gown the action of someone who's fully in control of their actions?
I don't really know mate, to understand him I would need to have been in his shoes. From my perspective, he got in with the wrong crowd, thought drinking was funny and it escalated badly from there. He accelerated it and he had no stop button. Sort of like Amy Winehouse with the drugs, the money never stopped coming in so it couldn't be controlled. She had bad influences around her and never really wanted to stop due to them.
