Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

The fact you think a person's ability to contest a leadership contest for the Prime Minister of a country is based on one comment about being a mother, where she was giving her personal opinion, only goes to show how insanely dumb some voters really are, to focus on such tedious nonsense. But that's you in a nutshell Pete - tedious.

Anyway, great leadership contest. Not a shambles at all lol. Roll on the coronation.

 

May will be PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...better-PM-handing-keys-No-10-Theresa-May.html


Hail May!!!!!!!1

 

Hilarious outcome.

 

Not strictly true Spain, Cameron's rise to power was generally on the back of being a eurosceptic. How did they stab him in the back if his views were the same as his?

 

.. the fact that the tories will now be led by a prominent Remain camapaigner (would in any case have ended with a signifivcnat majority over the combined vote of her Brexit rivals) demonstrates beyond any doubt that this hasn't been a complete shambolic self-destruct for the credibility of the conservative party

 

And the new PM elect says Brexit means Brexit

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...a-May-prime-minister-speech-Birmingham-Brexit

 

Maybe so, I'll look. However, at the time he called this referendum he was firmly in the europhile camp. Therefore, he gave the opposite side the opportunity to stab him in the back.

 

So what will May do with Leadsom, Gove and Johnson? Will she let them anywhere near the Brexit negotiations? I suspect not which makes a farce of the whole Leave campaign. Not only did people not understand what they were voting for but they haven't even get the people they thought they'd voted for!

The U.K. is currently a political laughing stock.

 

Although she doesn't define Brexit. They'll still be coming to the UK to get you Kustard!

 

Theresa May has had both her main competitors (Johnson and Leadsom) withdraw and give her a free run. Also what's been missed in all this is that the leadership contest has been undermined because the previous 2 rounds of voting could've been so different if Leadsom hadn't been in the race.

 

Utter garbage.

The EU has had a massive influence over UK employment law rights. The following were introduced by virtue of our membership of the EU, and are at risk if we leave or renegoniate our membership terms (this is not an exhaustive list):
• Minimum paid annual leave (now 28 days a year including bank holidays)
• Additional rights for agency and temporary workers and for part-time workers
• Current pregnancy and maternity leave rights
• Parental leave
.Working time (which includes a maximum of a 48-hour week unless you agree otherwise, and minimum rest breaks each day)
• Equal pay
• Anti-discrimination rules on race, sex, disability, age and sexual orientation
• Data protection rights
Some of these reflect the "Social Chapter" of the Maastricht Treaty adopted by the new Labour Government in 1997, thus ending the opt-out negotiated by John Major in 1991.
It doesn't stop there. There are also employment laws derived from the EU regarding transfers of undertakings (when the business you work for is sold or taken over), collective redundancies, and works councils (giving employees the right to receive information about a business and be consulted about some of its activities).
The UK has traditionally been among the most active opponents of European employment rights, only grudgingly accepting many of the social aspects and only when it has had to. In many cases, such employment rights have been seen by the government to frustrate a flexible workforce and add red-tape to businesses.

In some cases the government has managed to block the introduction of European rights altogether through its vote on the Council of Ministers. But in other cases the European workplace agenda carries on. The government is, for example, presently being forced to adopt a EU directive for additional parental leave – its preferred option is to increase leave to up to 18 weeks a year, which is the minimum implementation of EU requirements.
In 2009 the European court of human rights ruled that workers who are sick during their holiday period can claim back their time, and this was adopted as part of UK law in 2012. And in a separate case the European court said you cannot be discriminated against for your political beliefs (this is not presently covered by existing UK employment law).
However, with Cameron welcoming last week's European ruling that a policy which banned wearing religious symbols was an infringement of human rights, there are indications that not every employment ruling emanating from Europe is bad. And it is hard to see that the anti-discrimination laws now in force would ever significantly be watered down.
Yet the government does seem intent on eroding employment rights where they are viewed as being bad for business (even if businesses themselves don't always agree).

https://www.theguardian.com/money/work-blog/2013/jan/24/europe-legacy-uk-workplaces

It's hilarious that people like you think that our employment rights in the country are best left to the Tories to redefine....

And on H&S

EU Membership and Health & Safety finds that EU legislation has helped stop illnesses and injuries at work, and saved lives.
Much of the health & safety law in the UK is now underpinned by the EU. Almost two-thirds (63%) of new British health & safety regulations introduced between 1997-2009 originated in Europe (41 out of 65 laws).
These new safety rules have contributed to a reduction in workplace fatalities in the UK. In 1992 there were 368 worker fatalities in Britain; this dropped to 142 last year. Over this period, the rate of deaths fell from 1.5 to 0.46 per 100,000 workers.
The report notes a several areas where EU law has had a significant impact:
• The EU forced the UK to strengthen safety rules in construction – one of the most dangerous industries.
• Rules protecting police officers were also made stronger by the EU.
• The EU increased protections against asbestos. Asbestos is the biggest cause of occupational death in the UK – causing 5,000 deaths a year.

https://www.tuc.org.uk/internationa...ce-issues/eu-membership-and-health-and-safety

As for the EU cash for innovation leading to economic development, I've already covered off why the fallacy of the cash already being 'ours' doesn't mean it'll continue in a post Brexit UK with a reduced public spending budget due to a falling GDP

 

Never thought I'd say this, but thank **** for Osbourne at the moment. At least he appears to be doing what I would expect of the chancellor.
In the meantime I'm staring to write the first few pages of a new soap. It's called British politics. I think I'm on a winner!

 

Much of what you describe as EU legislation, was more EU codification, and sometimes dilution of UK law.

 

Prominent? She was deliberately low profile.

 

Employment law & H&S in this country were improved and strengthened by the EU legislation, which is the converse of what you said.

 

It's quite obvious that they will say the opposite of the facts. They just come out with a torrent of lies.

 

Theresa May will be Prime Minister this week and the government will get on with things.
Meanwhile, in the Labour Party .....

 

But not very different to him saying the people are useless as subjects, I'm off.

 

May was never a remainer, she just decided to stay on the side she thought would win.

 

Exactly. Everything went well for her. The UK voted to leave the EU and she will be appointed Prime Minister. She will get the full backing of the Conservative Party.
Meanwhile, in the Labour Party ....