Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Pete lives in a parallel universe where everyone is like him and they all support the Sensible Party because it makes so much sense.

 

We all knew you would want to lie about it. It's all you do.
in what way do you think he was forced out?

 

The fun starts here, folks!...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-legally-binding-lawyers-letter-a7129626.html

Just reprising the 'debate' about the economy. In any major decision about an entire county's future it simply has to be the primary concern. That's fundamental. Every other issue should be subordinate to that.

To think otherwise is naive or stupid.

 

the conservative party had a leader and prime minister who got it wrong so he did the sensible and honourable thing and resigned
the labour party has a leader who is clinging to power despite 80% of it's MPs thinking he is useless

 

Stop being a child, Pete and behave like a grown man.

Well, it was a minor thing, called a referendum. His position became untenable. Had he won, he would've stayed. It's not rocket science fella.

 

dreamers and whiners
the UK is leaving the EU

 

And the Sensible Party? What's their leader doing these days?

 

I'll agree with you that Cameron did the only thing he could do in the circumstances. He asked the country to back him, they refused to. It didn't leave him with much choice. The referendum was called by him and he lost his bet.

The Labour Party is busy tearing itself to pieces. Which it will probably succeed in doing if Corbyn doesn't go.

 

a referendum? like the one I was giving for the reason why he resigned?
I said he resigned. Did he or didnt he?
I said he wasn't forced out. Was he or wasnt he forced out?

 

In Pete's case I'm going for Stupid, but there's a very good case for both You can add bigot to that as well

 

A thousand legal dreamers and whiners?...that's not sensible, Pete!...

 

So you changed your tune AFTER our posts. Well done

 

Corbyn will go because otherwise the unions will withdraw their funding. The Labour Party can't survive on £3 per year per member.

 

I'm not in a position to make a constitutional challenge to the process of invoking article 50 All I've done is give my opinion and you whining about school yard abuse is pot and kettle, but standard from you as you always seek to clamber onto the moral high ground.

Consumer confidence is key, but me giving my opinion on the economic outlook isn't the catalyst for that measure already falling 8 points post Brexit. It was always going to happen due to the uncertainty that was going to follow an out vote, it was predicted by virtually all - me and Boris included.

As for EU funding, part of what you say there is correct. There were organisations that did opt to not bid for EU funding due to the conditions applied. The prospect of clawback made those who weren't confident that their projects were both going to comply or deliver on the outcomes predicted ran away from it. However, the rest of your statement on that issue is bollocks, as the EU funding that funded our HE R&D and economic development via investment in SME's will be replaced by what? Our net contribution to the EU was circa 0.4% of our GDP, and our GDP is forecast to fall between 1.7 and 6% post Brexit, which will result in public spending cuts, so where's the cash coming from to continue with these highly valuable projects?

No-one on the Remain side here has argued that the EU was some from of utopia, it isn't. It's overly bureaucratic and the federalists within it need putting back in their box. However, the basic fundamental of why we joined in the first place - i.e. free trade within the common market, remains key to our economic success and has done for 40 years. Moving forwards a post Brexit UK still needs access to that free market.

As for the EU being terrified about their gravy train, if that has any semblance of truth then their negotiating position with the UK will be strong, as any deal perceived as weak by other countries within the EU would send out a signal that you can leave the club and still have your cake.....which flies in the face of your last sentence. The collective EU needs us less than we need them 44% > 14%.

 

I didnt change my tune. I knew all along that he resigned because he lost the referendum. Don't you remember that he resigned the morning the result announced?
So how was he forced out?

 

Look you fool. NSIS said he was forced to resign. You said he wasn't. I said you were naive to think so. You then asked how it was naive? I said because his position became untenable, hence he was forced to resign. You then posted the same thing about the referendum. Are you really this dim?

 

So what does "forced to resign mean"? Is it different to "resigning" in some way?

 

No it just means you're a dimwit Pete

 

He was forced to resign due to one of the most catastrophic decisions made by a PM in living memory. That being to put the offer of a referendum on Europe as part of his manifesto at the last election, to try and split the UKip vote and silence the far right within his own party's ranks.

He went to the populous not asking for ratification of a decision he'd made i.e. to leave, but with the converse, asking them to vote against doing anything, which is quite bizarre in itself. He then allowed his own party to campaign against him, no wonder the entire issue had Joe Public confused. Even the Govt of the day didn't have consensus.

 

If Plato Pete thinks Cameron could've carried on after that, he really is naive.