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Chilcot Report - What will we learn?

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  1. Null

    Null Well-Known Member
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    Anything new?

    Will M16 be blamed for false information?

    Will Blair be blamed for accepting this information?

    Will Blair be given any blame?

    The 2million word report ...The 12-volume document.

    Will they summaries it?

    Will CTRL, F, "Tony Blair" work?
     
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  2. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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    **** knows. Am no reading it anyway.
     
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    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    War huh, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing, say it again.
     
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  5. Toby

    Toby GC's Life Coach

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    Getting the morons like you who sign up to die? It filters out the gene pool.

    We could do with another big one soon, clear out the Brexit voters from the norf.
     
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    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Please not my Achilles heel, my Army service.
     
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  8. GroveRanger

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    I will have to wait for either the right wing press to say it was all legit or the left wing press to say it was illegal as I will most certainly not be ars*d reading the b*stard thing myself.

    I don't know why this war was any worse than the others, did we have an enquiry after WW2, Suez, the Falklands etc. Sadly we are living in an age where nobody accepts anything and we are on some endless mission to "find the truth" so that the good old trite "lessons can be learned" nonsense is peddled out again. We will never learn, killing people is second nature to us.

    The whole "Blair lied to us" wears a bit thin after a while but Chilcot could set Tony up as the main patsy in his report thus leading to a load of "I told you so" merchants crawling out from under their rocks.

    War. What is it good for? Absolutely loads if you manufacture weapons.
     
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    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    ****in enquires and reports into every ****in thing these days. **** happens. Get over it. No need to go spending millions for a ****in report about it.
     
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    Also the Tony Blair is a War Criminal pish is becoming very tiresome, he may have taken us into a war but he never killed anyone.
     
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    I won't be reading it, thought I'd wait until the film comes out.
     
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    A couple of hundred thousand Muzzies may disagree. <ok>
     
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    Lots of links = Lots of clicks

    **** dat ****
     
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    • Chilcot report 2003 Iraq War heavily criticises Tony Blair over the way he took Britain into the war alongside the US
    • Report found that invasion was based on 'flawed' intelligence about Iraq and was 'not the last resort' at the time
    • Email sent by Blair to George W Bush hours after September 11 advised him to 'act now and justify later'
    • The inquiry dismissed Blair's claims he could not have known how difficult the post-invasion situation would be
    • Blair said he would 'take full responsibility for mistakes' but still believed 'it was better to remove Saddam Hussein'
    • Ex-PM will be very unlikely to face war crime trial in The Hague - but British soldiers could still be prosecuted

    Tony Blair's reputation was today lacerated by the Iraq War report as he was accused of twisting intelligence about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein to justify an invasion.

    After seven years of deliberations, the Chilcot report found that the former prime minister overplayed evidence about the dictator's weaponry and ignored peaceful means to send troops into the country.

    In a devastating set of conclusions, Sir John found Blair presented the case for war with 'a certainty which was not justified' based on 'flawed' intelligence about Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

    It also said Blair had 'overestimated' his ability to influence US president George W Bush and the way the legal basis was established was branded 'far from satisfactory' and bypassed the UN and undermined the international system.

    29 secret letters Mr Blair wrote to George W Bush were published for the first time today and in July 2002, eight months before MPs voted to back an invasion, Mr Blair had told the president 'I will be with you, whatever'.

    But after Sir John published his report today Tony Blair said the inquiry proved there 'was no falsification or improper use of Intelligence', 'no deception of Cabinet' and 'no secret commitment to war whether at Crawford Texas in April 2002 or elsewhere'.

    Families of the 179 servicemen and women who died in the Iraq War said today they are set to pursue him through the courts and called Mr Blair 'the world's worst terrorist' and slammed him for not 'looking us in the eye' as the report was released.

    Unveiling his 2.6 million-word report into the UK's most controversial military engagement since the end of the Second World War, Sir John said: 'We have concluded that the UK chose to join the invasion of Iraq before the peaceful options for disarmament had been exhausted. Military action at that time was not a last resort.

    'We have also concluded that the judgments about the severity of the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction - WMD - were presented with a certainty that was not justified.

    'Despite explicit warnings, the consequences of the invasion were under-estimated. The planning and preparations for Iraq after Saddam Hussein were wholly inadequate. The Government failed to achieve its stated objectives.'

    Among the main conclusions in the 2.6 million word report are:

    • There was no imminent threat from Saddam Hussein in March 2003 and Mr Blair took us to war 'before the peaceful options for disarmament had been exhausted'. Sir John said: 'Military action at that time was not a last resort.
    • Mr Blair, his then foreign secretary Jack Straw and the government presented judgements about intelligence on the threat posed by Iraq's WMD with a 'certainty that was not justified'.
    • Attorney General Lord Goldsmith only agreed that the invasion would be legal based on assurances from Mr Blair that Iraq had committed 'material breaches' of UN resolution 1441. But the inquiry said it was 'unclear' what evidence Mr Blair had for this and branded the process 'far from satisfactory'.
    • Mr Blair, who has been frequently criticised for his 'sofa government' style, repeatedly failed to involve his whole Cabinet in key decisions.
    • The inquiry dismissed the ex-PM claims that he could not have known how difficult the post-invasion situation would be.
    • The government were aware that the US had 'inadequate' plans for stabilising Iraq but had little influence over key decisions such as dismantling Hussein's Ba'ath party and security services.
    • The Ministry of Defence was slow to respond to the threat from Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), and delays in providing more heavily armoured patrol vehicles for personnel were 'intolerable'.
    • The 'most consistent strategic objective' in Iraq was to reduce the number of troops it had deployed there, particularly after operations in Afghanistan became more intense.
    • One symptom of the failures was that UK forces had to strike a 'humiliating' deal with militia in Basra to swap prisoners in return for an end to deadly attacks on soldiers.
    • Tony Blair has said that his decision to take military action against Saddam Hussain was taken 'in good faith and in what I believed to be the best interests of the country'.
     
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  17. Archers Road

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    Wasn't Winston Chilcott one of the Broadwater Farm rioters imprisoned for the murder of PC Keith Blakelock?

    So while he's been inside, he's been writing this report? Something's not right here.
     
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    I was for the war so CLEARLY WE SHOULD HAVE ALL KNOWN BETTER
     
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    Pud, stop ****ing about with extracts, post the full report please. <ok>
     
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    Dev's going inside
     
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