Off Topic SKY LIVE EFL games so far announced

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Don't want to spoil your glory. Easy enough to click on the link I left.

 

I'm wondering if they've got enough room at the wendies? 40,000 fans & all that!

 

There will be more at that televised game than any of our home games this season. They will sell more season tickets for the Championship than we do for the PL. As will quite a lot of clubs, Norwich, Huddersfield and various other places much smaller than Hull. And Sheffield Utd in Division 3. And Bradford City...Wonderful, isn't it?

What happened to the 38,000 fans we had when we sold our initial allocation for our first play off final in 2 days?

 

I assume that's a rhetorical question.

 

What's the opposite of a glory hunter? A misery addict? A run-of-the-mill enthusiast?
Perhaps some of our fans have decided that the Wembley razzmatazz and hype are not for them, and they prefer the honesty and homeliness of trips to Rotherham and Forest?
Wembley in May was ****ty in many ways (outsung, outnumbered, outenthused) but I'll take it every time compared to yet more ****ing trips to Chesterfield, Bury, Blackpool. Had 4 Wembley trips now, won 3 lost 1 (undeservedly) and Wembley Way is becoming as familiar as Oakwell or Boundary Park. Who'd have thought it eh?
Of the 38,000 in 2008, many are still going, some are no longer curious, some rubberneckers have been weeded out and some have chucked it for various reasons.

Our support has been fractured as we all know only too well. All we can do is stick at it, and stop arguing with other factions.

 

Not disagreeing, just pointing out that sneering about how many fans other clubs have and how many are glory hunters aren't things where we can take the moral high ground.
I would like the current success along with a ground full of people who act like football supporters rather than just spectators.

 

The days of 'football supporters' are gone. It's customers now.
FACT.
You can be a football supporter in League One or below, but not in the top 2 leagues.
For many young customers there is not even anykind of negative connotation attached to glory hunter. They see as mugs people who attend run of the mill games or support local teams.

Bless em - it's not their fault.
In 1973, City v WHU cup att 32, 290.
2 weeks later v Millwall att was 9, 821.
A win in front of 32,000 people and 2 weeks later we've lost 22,000 fans?

 

That was all the West ham fans, there was ****ing loads of them.

 

Read Chris Elton's book, which it looks as you have a copy of, and these sort of things go right back to the 1950s. The people who quote the odd good crowd as proof we have had enormous crowds down the years and that we could regularly fill a 40,000 stadium regularly are sadly mistaken. Only 13 clubs have ever had an average of 40,000. If you read Elton's book see how few crowds we have had of over 25,000 for league games since 1967. Up to the move to the KC you could count them on your fingers.

 

Perhaps the key word is 'fickle'.
May 3rd 1980, allegedly 60,000 people from Hull went to Wembley.
Soon back down to 4 figure gates again.
People love a winning team - or as SWFC proved in May, one that has been in the doldrums far too long.

 

Hull has always latched on to success. FC averaged about 12,000 and Rovers 8,000 the year they met at Wembley. For a brief period speedway got more than City, FC and Rovers combined.

 

Hull is far from unique.
We've just had less success than most other cities.
Plenty of other shockingly low gates around for allegedly big clubs when they were doing ****.
I give you Arsenal v Leeds May 5 1966...att 4,554 ...when Leeds were second in the table.

 

Strange one that, specially as Arsenal averaged about 30,000 that season.I remember it caused a fuss on the sports pages at the time.

Some clubs don't lose as many fans when times are bad. Since the year City joined the league Wednesday have never had an average of less than 10,000 whilst Sheffield United have.

 

You forgot the question mark so is yours a rhetorical question too?

 

Was living in North London at the time. Arsenal had not won a home match for months.It was a mid- week night game and was up against a rare treat for TV football fans-- a live broadcast of the final of the European Cup -Winners Cup involving Liverpool. Also I think the weather was poor too.

 

I wasn't asking a question. I was making a statement about what I was presuming to have been said, that's why I put 'I assume'.

To make it clearer for you, I assume the poster knows why there are less Hull City fans now.

 

That is the definition of rhetorical is it not?

 

A drop to 10,000 represents a 75% loss compared to some of their earlier crowds, that's pretty significant.