And he will continue to do so every moment that there is some sketchy evidence that his 'better' informed opinion may be held up.
There was an interesting Panorama programme on tonight listening to the views of mostly 'Out' voters, which included some Asian people - which don't fit the stereotype sometimes portrayed in the press.
I laughed out loud when I heard that. Even my wife thought what a stupid comment. Does she think the NHS will leave the UK when we leave the EU??? Near the end though she states her real reason why she wanted to remain in the EU, so she can go travelling for FREE! Wonder what travel agent she will uses go travel for free!
Regarding Farage, I think its a good thing that he is stepping down. I think UKIP should disappear now anyway. They existed to make the UK independant from the EU. Well they have achieved their objective. Its a shame he is being blamed for the vote leave bus when he was nothing to do with it. Although his own bus wasnt pretty.
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out. If you can't he will say you were too dumb to vote
MTG tried saying that the out voters are not clever enough to vote, She reminded me of his sort of comments.
He didnt say that did he? I thought it may have been shiny Dont tell him that though Its a bit selfish of her though wanting to remain so she can travel. Im sure she can still travel after we leave the EU. Or am I missing something!
A group of businesses and academics have launched legal action in an attempt to prevent the Government from starting negotiations to leave the European Union. Represented by the Mishcon de Reya firm, the group – who have chosen not to identify individual backers – will attempt to prevent the Prime Minister from launching Article 50, which would start the two year time-limit for the UK to make arrangements to leave the EU. In a twist of irony, the law firm claims that it would break European laws if Article 50 were to be launched without a full debate and vote in Parliament. Surely this got to be a wind up Read more at http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/8203-b...9473084-detail/story.html#f0W5bfmUUl3C9x88.99
It's being reported in the Daily Mail and a number of foreign news websites too. I haven't worked out how to paste links from iPhone apps on here so I can't show you. This crap will run on and on...........
I listened to some of the Nicky Campbell phone in and the Adrian Chiles show after on the radio this morning and watched the Panorama programme tonight and that much is pretty clear, it was all I HOPE, I THINK AND I BELIEVE it will be better and also, ringing the pub landlord for guidance on how to vote..?!. It was all about foreign workers taking British jobs and driving down wages . Newsflash, this is how business works, there is always someone who will make it cheaper and it is adapt and compete, or die... In essence it's very simple, maybe one of the geniuses on here can explain to me why a business in the UK pre Brexit that could employee a Polish (as they seem to get the most abuse) worker for £7.50 an hour to make something would stay in the UK and pay £10 an hour to support British jobs for British workers. Life just isn't like that and all these people who seem to think that there will be all these jobs suddenly available with business paying a premium to employ British workers are seriously deluded. Lets be clear, the only reason those businesses are based in the UK is because of the free market and their ability to employ Polish, Romanian's etc who WILL work for £200 a week unlike the first chap in Panorama with 6(!) kids who wouldn't even consider it (how do the Poles rent and buy food at this level of wages..?) Take that away and they WILL leave for an EU member country and no amount no sticking your fingers in your ears and saying it's not so will make it any less true... A lot of the vote was also about wanting to be heard. I agree that there is significant social inequality in this country but that is more down to a government trying to save money by running the country as a Plc and making "efficiencies" (which we all know is code for cuts) and I do strongly disagree with this as you cannot run organisations like the NHS like a private company. That said that is no reason to shoot yourself in the foot by damaging the country's economy just to stick it to the rich man....
So now your for reason of staying in the EU amounts to the fact that some firms can pay Polish workers less money and that would keep them in this country to employ some more polish people? (who then send their child benefit back to Poland) Is that not tantamount to exploitation? Would that be similar to when Cadburys moved from Keynsham to Poland (with an EU grant) due to cheaper labour regardless of the fact that we were in the EU anyway? (and countless other examples of the same) Where was the EU protection then? Your argument falls to pieces! All this regardless of the fact, that on numerous occasions many out voters have explicitly said on this thread that it is 'uncontrolled' immigration and total free movement that the vast majority who voted out objected to. We wanted sovereignty of our country and CONTROL of our borders and an end to expanding federalism by an unelected bunch of bureaucrats. not a shut out! The MAJORITY have decided the price being paid to remain in a business club was too high to pay. if that had been dealt with you may have woken to a different result.
I think that there was much informed debate on this thread however the Midlands in particular where the vote was heavily "leave" (and where Panorama was deliberately filmed by Chiles as it was his community) was probably a more accurate representation of the feeling which was clearly a lot of anger. Since when was any rational (or good) decision made in anger...? Why does my argument fall apart...? Ask yourself which is better - business based in the UK, paying tax and NI and contributing to the UK economy but with the benefit (to it) of being able to manufacture its goods and sell them at a competitive price by using UK and EU workers at a competitive rate of pay. OR, losing the contribution to the economy when it pisses off to another EU member country because we are no longer in the free market...? Less tax income = less money to spend = MORE cuts to public services so, how is this better for us exactly...? I had a discussion with a friend last week where it was inconceivable to him that the EU wouldn't continue to trade as if nothing had changed. We will get NOTHING from the EU, we kicked them in the bollocks, they will return the favour... EDIT:- as for control, you now have it however I suspect that the only thing you will be needing to control in a year or 2 is civil unrest as the full implications of the Brexit pup become evident to the very people who voted for it...
And there you go again. In another post you mention anger. The same assertions can be made about the remain voters as exemplified by one poster on this forum whose head would have exploded if he had started answering fundamental questions. The leave camp had ample time to convince the majority in a fair referendum to back their case. They lost, not because seventeen million people have IQ's below yours, or we are racists, xenophobes, or too old to think coherently anymore, but because the EU and successive governments have failed, and failed for a period long enough for millions upon millions to come to an informed choice - LEAVE.
So the failure of government of the day (on both sides of the political spectrum) means that the man at the coal face should lash out in anger and excommunicate the country from the global village because surely, there MUST be a better alternative...?!!! Be under no illusion, the grass certainly isn't greener on the other side and if you think that the UK has been exploited in terms of the (non financial) cost of being part of the EU club, just wait until we are competing directly with the likes of China and India. Of course we will have some specialisms which we can proudly display to the world but these are limited and as we make relatively very little in this country, in the words of BTO, "you ain't seen nothing yet" We could be at this for the rest of time but I am going to take a break now as I am having less and less time to respond as matters at home are now taking priority and more of my time so, thanks to all for the cut and thrust of the debate and see you all on the other side (and no, I am not joining the Sags...!!! )
