Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

You might note that I have neither said you are right or wrong, I have simply asked questions, so I'm surprised at your reaction.

Does it not seem strange to you that a group (IS, who claim to be a Caliphate - a self proclaimed state) who you say are right wing extremists, are accused of fuelling the rise of right wing extremism that rises against them (IS)? Is it not somewhat contradictory?

Perhaps there is more to IS than what some might think, for instance, are they just bombs and bullets or are they finance, Internet and infrastructure as well? I am not sure that right wing extremists is the right pigeon-hole for them.

Today I have seen two reports about hate crime: one was a barmpot in a shopping centre abusing an Asian, he was arrested and is being charged. The other is a torrent of hateful social media aimed at a MP for not supporting Corbyn.

I'm not offended, why would I be? I think you're exaggerating again.

 

Extreme Islam, such as IS, wants a war with us. A lot of what's done is deliberate provocation. Their belief is that war with us - the infidels - is what's foretold, and is inevitable. And that they will be victorious.

 

Are you a ****in nutter?....just wondering,no offence ment.

 

Founded in 1993 Hardly emerging. Hopefully disappearing along with it's supporters

 

why dont you like them?

 

Can they do any worse than the **** we've had ever since i can remember?
I'm 53 by the way.

 

Short answer, Yes!...

 

Both links talk about what the UK should do with its immigration policy post Brexit and are **** all to do with your ridiculous assertion that the EU open border, free movement policy is fundamentally racist. Added to your blinder of a comment that the Remain vote was racist.

You were talking **** and were wrong simple as. There's nothing else to add.

 

That's part of what they say, but the why they say that is the bit you're choosing to ignore.

 

I have to ask - what the hell is a barmpot? is that a predictive text error? So you don't think that IS is right wing?

Far Right-Wing is usually fervently holding traditional values, resisting change or modernising, dislike or even hate of outsiders, being anti-immigrants, seeing them as a threat to their culture. It leads to violence against minority groups and violence against groups based on their perceived racial shortcomings or threat to that nation/religion/group.

Both the Nazi's and IS are right-wing, as are the BNP, English Defence League, True Finns, KKK, the Freedom Party in Austria and another Freedom Party in the Netherlands, the National Front in France, Golden Dawn in Greece, Sweden Democrats, Al Qaeda. But notice that a lot of these will have differing goals and ideologies and the popularity of some may have a direct link to the creation and popularity of others. For example the reports and threat of ISIS has helped rise of far-right groups in this country.

I never claimed that ISIS are simple or that they are just simple. And I think it is dangerous to underestimate right-wing extremism by saying you can 'pigeon-hole' a group into that term. Some far right-wing groups are extremely well set up, funded and organised - look at Al Qaeda. Hell the Nazis took over Europe and most of Africa and almost the whole world. Franco took over the whole of Spain and Morocco, Mussolini took over Italy and almost helped the Nazi's win the war.

It's a shame you haven't seen the reports I have seen and some of the sickening examples I've heard about, if you had you might think differently. But I am not exaggerating or lying - I have heard of these things. Indeed the increase in race hatred attacks has been widely reported in the press. There are many people on social media saying they know someone who has been racially abused since the referendum. I suppose it's true that the press could be lying and that the examples I have seen/heard of are isolated events and that people just didn't report racial abuse as much before the referendum, but either way the crimes that have specifically happened are disgusting and are a problem and aren't acceptable. This certainly isn't what my grandfather fought for. He fought fascists - he certainly didn't accept them.

 

In short, extremists are extremists, whichever 'wing' you classify them as. They all wish to silence any opposition and will brook no deviation from their doctrine.

And dictators are dictators, whether supposedly left or right wing.

 

Nowhere near the whole world and not even most of africa

 

Agreed.

A part of the problem has been the habit of trying to suppress people voicing extreme opinions, which drives them underground where they feed off each other and become more extreme. In my opinion, a better long term solution is to encourage a debate, so that the extremist views can be publicly challenged.

 

The chief constable and crime commisioner of Avon and Somerset Police today have written an open letter saying that they are 'dismayed' at the rise in hate crimes since the EU referendum. They are now dealing with 10 hate crimes per day, a 110% increase.

 

from 4 which is 150% increase

 

No, you clearly are. Couldn't give a **** if you take offence or not.

 

6 attacks in a week, out of a population of 65 million, not even 1 a day. Get the feeling this is something else being wildly exaggerated and blown out of all proportion by the remain camp?

I do not justify any one of the attacks, mind. I hope they are caught and punished by law. No need for it and it doesn't help the leave camp...

Edit: Just read 6 attacks, per day. Still blown out of all proportion with figures like a '150%' increase. I will also say again, hate crimes always go up after a big event and usually they die down, hopefully this will happen again.

 

10 attacks in a week in one area. Not out of 65 million. The national figures will be higher. Also it's got nothing to do with the remain campaign. These are figures provided by Police chief constables.

 

Yet it is the remain supporters who are putting it out there for everybody to see.

 

Relaxing day today & before the play-off final