Parliament is made up of the House of Commons, the House of Lords and the Queen. The latter has the right to be consulted, to encourage, to warn & even to act as a check and balance if necessary. She is required to ratify all bills passed by parliament (known as the royal assent) - something which has not been refused since 1707 but.....the existence of the United Kingdom has not been threatened in that time. A decision by Parliament to uphold the result of the referendum is nothing other than simultaneously voting to end the United Kingdom (for something they don't believe in), this is something which all MPs should bear in mind.
During the debate the Queen asked her guests for three reasons to remain in the EU. In the last few days she has slapped down Sturgeon by advising time for clear heads. She is probably very excited that the Commonwealth Countries can play a larger trading role with the UK. To retain its credibility parliament has no choice than to listen to the will of the people. The referendum was clearly in the manifesto of the controlling government. Scotland has to overcome some huge hurdles before it would make sense to its population to vote to leave the UK.
No, the ones that actually bothered to vote made it 52% leave, 48% remain, clearly it is a majority under the accepted rules of the referendum. I'm not sure why it is difficult to understand?
The difficulty is really not mine. We have a referendum result that is legally non binding, with a significant minority voting against the status quo. Parliament is by no means obliged to accept this result and not should it. It would be folly if it did then failed to negotiate a favourable deal to leave. You don't get off a fast moving train and expect not to get hurt. By your rationality a minority have decided we are all to get off the train with no intention of having it slow down let alone stop and now you you say that the train conductor is going to make us get off regardless.... It is muppetry of the highest order.
Interesting that the Tory leader in Scotland seems to be backtracking on a 2nd independence referendum having been in a minority of one. Moves are going ahead to form an all Ireland forum to discuss matters such as trade, investment and health. The damage this is causing to the UK is beyond belief.
It may be a non binding result but it is impossible for parliament to not accept the will of the people. The decision is made, you can moan all you like. A democratic process will always leave a minority dissatisfied, that is the nature of the beast. Thankfully all the major politicians have accepted the result with respect. Over 17 million voters liked the result. We should all now be positively working towards supporting the Tory government in their attempt to obtain the best possible terms with the EU.
She actually said the UK should not block a potential second Scottish referendum although she would still argue against one.
Rather different to what she was saying a couple of months ago, when she was talking about trying to block one. A clear and unmistakable climbdown.
The UK government would never block a second Scottish Referendum if as Sturgeon said the will of the people demonstrated, over a period of time, that a vote to leave the UK was a popular choice. Unfortunately they would have to rely on polls which have not had the best of times recently. I think her required guidelines is around 75% support for leaving. I cannot see her achieving this.
The will of the people will only be served if the establishment allows it. The establishment means, in this case, a majority of MPs in the house of commons (ratio of 3 to 1), an even larger majority in the house of lords (where the Tories do not have a majority). Virtually all the establishments of Britain, meaning heads of banks, corporations, business, leaders of most trade unions, chancellors of universities together with political and business leaders around the World (with the exception of Putin). You also have 2 of the countries which make up the Union. Balanced against that you have a majority of about a million, many of whom now regret their decisions, based on a referendum which was only called for party political reasons, based on an idea which had no plan behind it, organised by back biting opportunists, who are now going back on their pre referendum claims and promises. Never come on here again and tell us that the Tory Party are the party of economic good sense - because it is them who are on the verge of plunging Britain into economic oblivion for the foreseeable future. Why should the Tories feel that they have to bring their own civil war onto the World stage in this way, and drag the reputation of Britain through the dirt in the way they are doing ?
If the Scots voted out of the UK, where would they go? They can't stand on their own feet, and they can't meet the EU entry requirements in the foreseeable future.
The Tories were elected, with a majority, on a clear mandate to have a referendum on membership of the EU so the British public preferred their manifesto to the alternative. It is not the 'establishment' that will decide on Brexit, it will be MP's. The lords will not deny the will of the people because it was in the Tories manifesto. I'm afraid you are becoming more desperate by the day. Your preference for anti democratic systems is clearly shining through.
You might be right in some respects, but at least they are talking to the EU and exploring what is possible. Currently no one from England has a clue what to do. Two of the people who are bidding for leadership of the Government are saying that there will be no talks with the EU this year.
I read a good article from Morgan Stanley the other day. It concluded that there is no way parliament will block Brexit and there is no chance of re-joining as we will never be offered the rebate we currently enjoy. Scotland stand no chance, Spain and France will see to that.
There'll be talks going on with the EU and people in the UK that are in a position to follow up on the outcomes. Sturgeon has no real authority to agree anything.
They are currently even refusing to meet her, Several heads of state have said the UK is in or out, not bits of it.
It almost seems like we've changed roles SH. me lining up with the establishment and you standing up for the rights of the poorer, mostly anglo saxon, voters - people who you, and your party, have never given a **** about up to now. By the way, there are circumstances in which I would be for leaving the EU. but Britain is a million miles away from them.
It doesn't really matter. An independent Scotland would have to apply for membership but, in the meantime, can join EFTA. and the free market, immediately under the same conditions as eg. Iceland. The road to Scotland being actually in the EU. may be a long one but is infinitely preferable to being a part of the instabilities facing Britain in the future.
