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England Fallout

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Dorty Dogbreath, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. Commachio

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    One for Nacho gay footballers thread

    Sturridge the sausage.
     
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    What English players need is to do is rediscover the hunger and passion for playing football for your national team.

    Just look at Chile here singing their national anthem, the stadium sound system ends the music too early but all the players continue to sing along till the end with true passion. No wonder they went on to win the Copa America.

     
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    He gave Rashford 5 mins, an exiting, young and hungry player who should have at least 60 mins of one match. I reckon had we been on 6 points after 2 games like we should have, Roy would have played him and at least done more than Kane, who was I reckon the worst England striker at any tournament I have seen, even Heskey did more than him!
     
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    Kane had a ****ing ****e tournament. Gash.

    But im not writing him off just yet.
     
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    My team for the next qualifiers...

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    I thought Dier did nothing Cattermole couldn't have done better in the tournament! And I certainly don't think Catts should be playing for England but he has everything England needed and lacked!

    Also wouldn;t have Stones in Sunderlands back 4! He's awful. He's a central defensive version of Sterling IMO. Woeful for 2 thirds of the season.

    It's all very well being "good on the ball" but when you keep giving it away and giving goals away then what's the point!!
     
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    That midfield is absolutely awful, we don't stand a chance of doing anything until we get that sorted.

    Only one of them can claim to have had a good season at club level and not let his country down, Dier.

    Rose will get sacked by Shaw as well.
     
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    ****ing Cattermole <laugh> give it a rest mate.

    Cattermole would have scored that free kick, only better?

    Dier for me is the only player to come back with any credit, aside from Rashford. Why Hodgson hooked him for Wilshere against Iceland I'll never know.
     
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    <laugh>. But Stones is hot property.

    He must have something.
     
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    Everton's new owner must've thought "Holy ****... These idiots turned down more than 30 million for him? He's worth around half






    a million
     
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    What about that free kick? I've never seen Cattermole pop one of them in. Dier was a constant danger for us, from set pieces. Cattermole isn't.

    Dier was arguably our best player during the tournament. For me it was out of Kyle Walker and Eric Dier, Walker just edged it, for me.
     
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    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Walker, in the groups was brilliant, well against the first two teams until Hodgson 'rested him'.

    My theory is the players kicked off at Hodgson for resting players vs Slovakia and it went tits up, Woy wrote his quitters speech whilst crying into his soup, the ****ing ball bag.

    What Walker did against Iceland, for their first, bearing in mind their throw ins were their best chance of a goal... that was unforgivable and it was the Kyle Walker that I've seen time and time again and why I've always thought when the going gets tough, he's a **** house.
     
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    It's bollocks mate, but we don't have any options. I've got an idea to improve it. I think it'll work.

    ----------------------------- Cattermole -------------------------------

    ------------ Henderson ----------------- Rodwell -----------------

    Thoughts?
     
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    ****ing hell. you wear brut if you want to play for england. strawberries ffs
     
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    Oh sorry - except that free kick (shows how memorable it was, I forgot about it!) I'm only talking from what I saw - Dier was so one dimensional. Same ball every time. into the box and still hasn't found the striker! Just very one dimensional. Never changed it up and I reckon I could've defended against him! Just an opinion - Guess we watched for different things.

    I rate Dier by the way, just thought his passing was poor going forward! (Also rate Kane and Alli but they were truly terrible!)

    Aye forgot about the free kick! Was more talking, like I said to tel, about the passing when we got into the final third - he did the same thing around 15 times against Slovakia. I could've defended against it as it was almost like someone said "Put it there every time and someone will get on the end of it!"

    Problem with Dier being a danger from Set Pieces is that every one of our corners/free kicks except one was no better than I could've put in!
     
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    We have good players mate, not Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard good but they couldn't play together anyhow. It's about leaders for me, Rooney's never been a leader, he's a fabulously talented player, but he wants to do too much, we needed a leader out there to calm the nerves and make things happen.

    I don't see any amongst our players, right now, maybe the closest thing we have to it is Deli Alli, hopefully he will turn beast mode on, cos we need him to. I think we needed Carrick out there, for games like Iceland, if the heads were gone, he does that for United, it's his job... it might sound biased, but Jordan Henderson, Lallana, Wilshere... these guys don't have that.

    WC 2014 - Phillip Lahm
    Euro 2012 WC 2010 Euro 2008 - Xavi, Xabi Alonso
    WC 2006 - Pirlo and Gattuso
    Euro 2004 - a team full of them!
    WC 2002 - Cafu
    Euro 2000 & WC 1998 - Zidane
    Euro 96 - Klinsmann, Sammer
    WC 94 - Dunga

    Cattermole, joking aside has leadership qualities for sure, that I can't deny, so maybe he'd be worth a shot for that reason, but I'm not sure the egotistical players would pay him any attention, because of who he is.
     
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    I'd put that more down to tactics mate, than his ability.
     
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    Do you not think that Hodgson and his coaching staff must have looked at how the final 3-4 weeks of last season panned out and not thought ' well Spurs ****ed up well and truly for the run in'

    Their players must be really demoralised so we'll pick all five of them, Walker, Rose, Dier, Kane and Alli and give them as much game time as we can.

    I'm no football expert but even I could see that lot were carrying a lot of baggage and were a great risk in playing all of them. But then I don't get the big bucks that the FA were paying Roy.
     
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    I love Marcus stance on Catts.

    I love Catts, but ha'way.

    Suppose it deflects away from Defoe.<whistle>
     
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    Allardyce gets England job.

    Allardyce chooses first squad... Rashford, Sturridge, Kane... Vardy. <laugh>
     
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