Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

It might be understood by you, but most leave voters? I think not!...

 

Why not? Why does the size of the market make a difference if both places want free trade? The EU and USA is about the same size but they are not discussing freedom of movement. The EU is a lot bigger than Algeria and their free trade agreement doesn't mention freedom of movement.

 

Indeed. There'll be hell on in the **** pits of the North and the blue rinse set coffee mornings of the Home Counties, if the 'victory' ends up resulting in more darkies and muzzies.

 

Because the EU has made it perfectly clear that the UK cannot just cherry pick which bits of EU legislation it likes, and which it doesn't.

It has been categorically stated that one of the prices of free trade is free movement of people.

 

"advisory"? I think you will find it isn't.

 

I've just pointed out that in the vast majority of cases their agreements dont involve freedom of movement.

 

In this one, it does....

 

we haven't even started negotiating yet. anybody who takes seriously any pre-negotiating statements hasn't got a clue how negotiations work.

 

I think you'll find that legally it's nothing more than an opinion poll.

There is no legal requirement to act on the referendum - fact.

 

The key leaders have all said that there'll be no access to the free market without both tariffs and freedom of movement.

Are you expecting them all to buckle when Boris drops his trousers or something?

 

The USA has a completely different immigration policy to Europe, and I hardly think people are going to be pouring into Algeria either. The fact is that all member states have said today (and previously during the campaigns) that if the UK votes to leave the EU and still wants full access to the single market, then they will have to accept the EU's terms on tariffs and free movement.

 

The real kicker for the UK is that we desperately need 'passporting' rights for the numerous banks that are headquartered in London. Without it, they cannot market financial products into the EU from London. The EU are not stupid, they know this. Without it most of these banks would leave London and headquarter on mainland Europe.

As The City is one of the largest contributors to UK earnings, we really cannot afford to let them all leave. Apart from the massive loss of earnings, the unemployment it would generate would run into tens of thousands.

Canada are trying to negotiate a deal with the EU, but it does not include unfettered access to the EU financial markets.

 

Think you will find you are wrong.. Very wrong

 

It's also taken them 7 years so far and they still haven't finalised the agreement.

 

We've done this already - many times. A quick look at the net tells you that to leave the EU we have to activate article 50 of the agreement. To do that we have to repeal the 1972 European Communities act. A repeal of a law can only be made by parliament.

If parliament were to vote to refuse to repeal the 1972 act, we cannot leave the EU.

 

Couldn't agree more.

We will be exactly the same as before being in. We will still pay for the privilege. Though we won't get a rebate. We also won't have social projects funded by grants from the eu. We will have the same rules and regulations without being to shape them.

The only real difference will be European courts will not be able to overturn our own. Bearing in mind the European model of justice is pretty much based on our own rules makes pretty much no difference. The whole thing is, will in my opinion allow our own government to be even bigger ****s than they already are.

 

Come on ex-spurt, how the **** did you get that wrong then?

 

Go and learn how markets work ( yes, I realise that it's very difficult for you to admit you don't know everything!) then come back and talk to me sensibly, and I might answer!..

 

Ah, in denial then.