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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. wear_yellow

    wear_yellow Well-Known Member

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    That only applies to EU citizens and applies in Britain because that benefit is available in Britain i.e. you cannot discriminate against a person from another EU country. This was the area that Cameron failed to get concessions on when he tried to limit in-work benefits to people from other EU countries.

    For non-EU it is somewhat more complicated and depends upon if they are living here on a Tier 2 visa or are an asylum seeker or some other category - I am note sure on this area and would need to research it in more detail.

    This is quite a good article that explains Freedom of Movement - and it can hardly be accused on being siding with a Brexit.

    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/what-eu-freedom-movement
     
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  2. yorkshirehornet

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    Yes... quite a good site..... Soros !
     
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  4. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    This is what I fear is lost:

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  5. Bolton's Boots

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    Interesting. When I came over here from Oz twelve years ago - under a British passport - I did enquire about JSA after a month or so as it was taking forever to find suitable accommodation (my family remained over there until I found somewhere). I was told in no uncertain terms that I wasn't eligible for any benefit of any kind. Three months later my family arrived, all British passport holders bar my step-daughter, 16 and an Aussie passport holder. We were told, again in no uncertain terms, that she was entitled to nothing - even though she hadn't actually applied for any benefits and was just trying to register with the Job Centre to look for work. She was only allowed to stay here on the condition that she 'was no strain on the public purse' - which apparently meant she couldn't even register as unemployed and use the Job Centre facilities.

    After that, it does seem strange to me to read all these stories about immigrants, both EU and non-EU, being given benefits hand-over-fist.
     
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    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    Fine words - but he was little more than a two-faced, hypocritical weasel given his attitude towards the Scots. Whoever wrote that for him obviously forgot to include the words 'except Scotland' after the 'men of every country' bit.
     
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  7. oldfrenchhorn

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    Interesting polls taken in France since the Brexit vote. They show that even less people now want a referendum here than did before. 74% of people see it as divisive and do not want this country to descend into the vacuum that the UK has become. Despite the President being very unpopular, people do want to make the EU work, but there is always plenty of comment about how it needs to reform at a faster pace.
     
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  8. wear_yellow

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    Maybe it was because you have a British Passport but had not lived here and paid an amount of NI contributions? My wife will not be entitled to a full state pension because she did not pay NI contributions when she was not "working" and bring up our brood. I am just repeating what it states in the information regarding the treatment of non British EU citizens regarding benefits i.e. they cannot be discriminated against. As I also said, for non-EU citizens it is a little more complicated because it depends how they entered the country - presumably that applied to your daughter.
    Even within the EU the rules have allsorts of anomalies. For instance English students have to pay fees to attend Scottish Universities but German, French or Romanian students do not - again they cannot be discriminated against, but English students can be.
    Again, this started as a response to NZ stating that he thought EU immigration would slow down...
     
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    So interesting that so many people are now waffling on about 'sovereignty', and wanting to be a sovereign nation again yet have ignored so many other threats to our sovereignty over the years. Do those same people realize that our nuclear deterrent is almost entirely dependent on the USA ? Do they realize that there are 23 US. Airforce bases located in the UK. ? Do they realize that the city of London is full of money from the entire World but is not under the sovereignty of the British Parliament ? Do they realise that there is no country more firmly connected to globalization than the UK. is - that London is practically the World capital of globalization ? Do they also not know that Britain imports more of its food than any other country in the World ? These very same people were not apparently concerned about sovereignty when Britain was privatizing nearly all of its industries and selling them into foreign hands.
     
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  10. Bolton's Boots

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    The issue of university fees is a two-way street though - Scottish students wishing to study in England are equally discriminated against by having to pay fees there. It's all down to how respective governments view their people. The SG see the education of their people as a wise investment for the future of the country - that doesn't seem to apply in England.

    I think the JSA problem I experienced was more a case of misinterpretation of the rules by a zealous public servant - I had contributed to NI during previous spells of employment here, and there was in place a reciprocal agreement between the two countries at the time. The reason I let it slide and accept the decision was that I didn't deem the amount worth the hassle - and didn't really want to get into the clutches of the welfare system anyway. My wife and I never expected our daughter to be eligible for anything - she's our daughter and we were quite prepared to look after her anyway. As I said, she didn't apply for a benefit (never even broached the subject) but merely wanted to register to look for work - another over-zealous public servant misreading the situation.
     
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    Well put.. we have to be very careful of making backward steps......
     
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    Looks as if it paid off.
     
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  13. wear_yellow

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    But Scottish students are not discriminated against - they pay the same fees as English students or German, French or Romanian students.
     
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  14. Bolton's Boots

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    They are - SG aren't allowed to reimburse them so they have to pay for an education that their own countrymen don't have to, simply because of Tory ideology.
     
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  15. yorkshirehornet

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    Which hands Scotland to the SNP ( well maybe ;) )

    BUT

    Which leads to BREXIT..... and the Union breaks up :(
     
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    It is all due to the subsidy from Whitehall - Barnett Formula.
     
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    Today the French President Hollande said it would make no sense to scrap France's bilateral border agreement with the UK after Brexit.

    Another scare story bites the dust.
     
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  18. wear_yellow

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    They are being discriminated by the SG then, by making them pay if they study in England. What if they study in Germany, France or Romania? Will the SG pay these fees?
     
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  19. Bolton's Boots

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    SG aren't making them pay - Westminster is by setting the fees. University study in Germany & France, and numerous other EU countries, is free for EU residents anyway, last time I looked. I can't speak for Romania though - although unless things have altered drastically there, I suspect that not many go there to study. When working for the Australian Government, part of my remit was to arrange the assessment of trade & tertiary qualifications from prospective migrants - while many 'made it through' from Romania, it was on the understanding that they would not be able to work in their chosen fields until their qualifications were upgraded to Australian standards, and done so at their own cost.
     
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    France and Spain today shot down any plans for Scotland to remain in the EU. Spanish prime minister said 'Sturgeon's Scottish government is not authorised to barter with other EU member states. He also said Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of UK'. Hollande said 'The negotiations will be conducted with the UK, not with part of the UK'.

    Sturgeon has rather jumped the gun, she now has a bit of reality although the SNP was told the same last time.
     
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