Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

I won't hold my breath

 

But it's not just our money is it Pussyman?

That's not my logic Pussyman, it's Custard's logic. I agree, it's total nonsense.

 

20 yrs experience and you know **** all except how to state the blood obvious; or have you decided you do have some answers now? If yes, what are they. It might help if yoiu weer to learn how to use the post facility properly, but nevermind.

 

The crime was largely in the US when they gave mortgages to prostitutes and red neck wasters, knowing they were going to default. Then bundled up the dross and sold it to all and sundry.

And those close to it did predict it, together with the credit generation being a ticking time bomb, and so it transpired.

All of which has jack to do with the basic economic realities that Brexit delivers.

 

Well it will be when we leave. We wont have to pay anything to the EU - despite what Remainers are hoping. The UK will have our money and we will do with it as we want. We certainly wont give it to the EU despite the dreamers.

 

Awesome logic.

However it has two fatal flaws.

1.Our net contribution equates to circa 0.4% of our GDP, and the most optimistic prediction for how far our GDP will fall post Brexit is 1.7%, the worst being circa 6%. So the net gain to the treasury will be 100% of **** all, in fact the public purse will reduce, as Osbourne has already said, as he'll have to increase taxation and slash public spending. So there'll be no money to 'do with what we want'

2. If you think that we're going to get a tariff free, free trade deal as a Brucie bonus on top of no free movement of people, then you really are living in some form of parallel universe..

I'm glad you don't do my books btw.

 

Can you guarantee that, based on whatever deal we do with the EU, we will be better off on a net basis?

 

Yeh but we'll have our country back and there will be fewer immigrants to break into Castle Saxton!

 

They are hardly insignificant when 16m voted to remain, over 4 million people have signed a petition asking for a 2nd referendum, and tens of thousands have joined protests across the country. With widespread reports of Leavers either a) changing their minds or b) admitting that they didn't know what they were voting for or only voted as a protest vote*

*Not in any way saying this represents all leavers views, just that there's reports of a lot of these people.

 

I'm still looking, it's on a pdf on another PC, but in the full report, the author Professor Craig makes it clear that this is not a report with statistics or factual data. A had heard that the report was removed from the web because of it's misuse and reference to discredited data, and I can't find a copy on line to point you to.

I did find another critique of the report where the author used the data, which gives some idea of how piss poor it was.

https://apps.facebook.com/thisisullapp/articles05/jackielukes/racerelations.html

Of course, no doubt you'll know better than the people that wrote it, the people it's supposed to be about and most of the people that have actually read it.

 

"Predictions" - like the prediction that Remain were going to win the referendum?
Why not a tariff free trade deal? USA and Iceland dont seem to have an issue with that? Just because a few people are screaming that now doesn't mean it will happen.
I doubt you would pass my new client checks.

 

I've liked that; it's to give you encouragement as you are almost there.

But not quite ...

... not so many days ago it was forecast to be disastrous for the global economy, so you are now saying that is not the case, which is good. (although I believe it will have an effect on some - Japan for instance is recovering some)

Einstein wasn't involved to my knowledge (Well maybe Eric Einstein, who knows ...) but certainly all of the folk I know, who voted to leave, understood there would be pain, maybe even more pain than there already was, but they thought it an opportunity to make change to a system that brought pain anyway. Why can't you accept that others understood that? Why can't you understand that the mistake was in underestimating the response to the challenge to dump the EU, those who took up that challenge do, you seem incapable, why?

 

There's no guarantees about anything. Anybody who even asks that is an idiot.

 

We certainly don't - Wales has been royally screwed by this voted. We get far more out of the EU than we put in, not to mention the social charter guaranteeing Human Rights (by ensuring countries are signed up to the ECHR), workers rights, environmental protection ect. These Human Rights are particularly important at a time when there is widespread discrimination and the Government is systematically discriminating against disabled people and poor people, something that is disproportionately affecting Wales.

Also I'm not sure how you can claim that all the money we paid in will be ours, when a) everyone says we need to do a deal with the EU and we don't know how much that'll cost (it could cost more) and b) you don't know how much the cost of leaving is and whether this outweighs any perceived benefit.

 

Not quite. If you have :

UKEC = UK contribution to the EU.
EFUP = EU funded projects in the UK (as per our friends in Wales etc) .

Then our first net gain/loss, NG1 = UKEC - EFUP.

Now assuming our lovely neighbours in the EU demand their pound of flesh EPF for UK access to the
EU markets, then our second net/gain loss NG2 = NG1 - EPF.

NG2 is what both sides of the debate should have tried to have figures for.
NG1 I assume is computable right now.

EPF you could try to estimate based on those European nations that already have to pay so
(as % of their total population/GDP etc - has the EU defined a formula ?? ) .

 

I repeat: the numbers you mentioned are insignificant.
Adding more numbers doesn't make my statement wrong. That petition is seriously flawed. I don't think there will be a discussion in Parliament for plenty of reasons. Besides the fraudulent signatures there's the fact that it's complaining about the referendum that was passed by an Act of Parliament.

 

I'm not sure that will help, have you seen them?

 

Anyone tried eating or sleeping? Highly recommended.

 

I've never said it was a disaster for the global economy, as it's not a global issue, it's our issue, so that's another fail

You voted for a campaign that had no strategy post winning, you voted to leap into the economic unknown, you voted to accept the lies peddled by the likes of Farage and Bumbling Boris, for some reason of your own choosing, I think you're ****ing mental or simply have no stake in the economic future of our country so don't give a ****. Whatever, it's your democratic right to make a stupid decision, and I'll fight for your right to be an idiot

 

So if we are worse off on a net basis then "our money" doesn't exist! And you've been an accountant for 40 years!