That was crawlingly embarrassing. Someone is going to have to negotiate what relationship we now want with Europe in order to trade. A bit like when KM announces all Charlton players are essentially in the shop window, thus informing every other club we are looking to sell, and start on the backfoot, so our negotiations are starting from the same position of weakness. Quite why this guy chose to start off by sticking two fingers up at the MEP's in such a cringeworthy 'public schoolboy steals the mic at the school fete' kind of way defies belief. I asume he will now sit back and when it becomes clear we now have to negotiate, and that trade will inevitably get coupled with free movement of workers, he will moan about the negotiators. Well, go on Nigel (great name !!), now go and get a deal from the EU. We still need to deal with the EU, and this simpering moron has done no one except his giggling friends any favours. For me, there is a very clear notice that the people who need to do the negotiating are those who wanted us to leave the EU. Logically, there should be a plan if they were confident enough to take this to a referéndum, so as most parliamentary MP's were voting Remain, and therefore may not try hard enough to get the deal Nigel and Boris should step up to the plate. They may not want to - whoever does this will find out the promises made by leave were nothing but empty vessels, but at least those who made the promises should come back with the good news.
hang on...17 million people voted out...those mp's werr elected at a general election to support the wishes of the nation and those in yhe outcome of a democratic vote. If thosr elected now wish to relinquish all responsibility because of the outcome of that democractic vote, I for one will be remembering tgose individuals next time we are at the ballot polls.
Sorry, I wasn't denying that 17 million (the majority) had elected to leave. My point is that what the leave campaign promised cannot be delivered. It would be better to let them personally do the negotiating, as any other group which has any sort of leanings toward Remain, will be tarnished with being lukewarm at best and treacherous at worst. At least if Nigel comes back and says the EU didn't give him the deal he wanted, most of the 17 million who voted leave will believe he tried to get what he promised. As your post above implies, any other grouping who try and fail to get whatever it was Leave wanted and fail, they will be pilloried by the Leave voters for not having been intetersted in doing what democracy called for. And no worries about the big fingers, I have that too, and my telephone posts defy autocorrect.
Basically, Osborne said he'd have to put up taxes, Leave rubbished this, they won, so let them prove they were right.
I'll keep this objective after my last post apparently upset people... I'm a Building Surveyor; 3 months ago I started working for Goldsmiths University. We just had a briefing on the implications of Brexit on higher education. Overall I was encouraged by the proactive and positive approach that the Uni are taking on the matter but you can't help feeling how absolutely ****ing pointless the whole thing is, and that the need to react and adapt whilst on the back foot is wholly unnecessary. This week has genuinely been one of the worst I've ever experienced. Everything is so bleak and for no gain. Perhaps that might have been different had Article 50 been submitted with immediate effect; but surely no-one from the 'Leave' camp (including supporters) can be satisfied so far? The only arguments that I'm willing to entertain as pragmatic reasons for wanting to leave the EU are either that it's neo-liberal economic policy has failed or one of 'they're elitist and unelected...'. I'll leave the economic side alone as I'm not smart enough but in terms of the latter point, today the Etonian/Oxbridge Michael Gove has put himself on course to be an unelected PM despite having no qualifications and only the support of Rupert Murdoch; all of which follows a plebiscite where had the Conservative's own beloved Trade Union Act 2016 (which was passed without EU control, I believe...) applied the 51.9% victory following a 72% turnout would be deemed insufficiently democratic for action. Let's also not forget that the Conservative Government who called the referendum were voted for by just 24% of the Electorate under the FPTP system. Nice one, Britain (or soon to be 'England & Wales'). I completely understand that Britain is broken and I'm not in denial; but still feel a large proportion of the 52% of the people have been duped as to what caused this and how to fix it... I consider that the idea of 'leaving' the EU as a means to get ourselves back on track has yet further set back our recovery, and given the dissipation of the working class - and their (or our...) social conscious - coupled with a strange media induced sado-masochistic need for Conservative rule - we will be condemned to years of aggressive right wing policy and resulting social breakdown. I still have some optimism that things will get better after that as progressive socialism will gain support through the hard times, but that is light at the end of a long dark lonely tunnel
Good post, Kish. Vol will also be upset that I like it. The decision to leave had more to do with immigration than anything else, but I'll be amazed if there is a significant change- Farage is a fraud. I'm more upset by the demise of the Labour Party. I joined in the 80's to fight Militant and now we've got Momentum, who were openly recruiting at a CLP meeting last night. Gove has been given the nod by Murdoch and Dacre so we're likely to see a right-wing government with no opposition for the next 9 years at least.
It feels like Corbyn has been check-mated doesn't it? I am inclined to agree with the PLP that he is presently unelectable - not all his own fault obviously because he presumably was building towards 2020; but nonetheless they've made his position untenable now. You'll find this enjoyable reading though Billy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ion-and-childhood-home-paid-for-by-fraud.html
Boris would kill (stabbed DC in the back) to be prime minister. Why didn't he make a run for it now, when it's set up perfectly for him? Because he knows what's really coming for Britain, and won't have it jeapodise his reputation. Let someone take the flack and go again in 5-10 years.
Will Brexit bring Rolexit a bit closer? Roland is never here so it won't make any difference to him. Our CEO already knows she is not welcome so nothing new there.
It will surely have some affect, though potential plans for 15% corporate tax will be an eyebrow raiser.
An EU related Point of Order for my two Left wing chums, @SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious and @ForestHillBilly Did you know that in the recent EU Referendum, Labour MP Keith Vaz campaigned for unrestricted Romanian entry ?
