Some good points. When this referendum was voted in the house i believe it was 6 to 1 in favor of offering the British public a referendum so politicians shouldn't be moaning now. I also believe that the Leave lot were as shocked as i was when they won. However it was a fair democratic process and we must do what the public say. otherwise it was as waste of my Thursday night. I also don't believe in another referendum because a result is a result. Farage has just said on Skynews that Australia and New Zealand are fighting to secure new bigger and better trade deals with Britain. If this is correct, this would be a massive plus for Britain.
As has already been pointed out, the people have voted to leave the EU, but there is no clear instruction as to what the terms should be. We could leave the EU but stay in the single market, thereby continuing to accept EU regulations relating to trade, including free movement. Those that voted Leave because they don't like immigrants wouldn't be happy, but there was nowhere on the ballot paper to state that. Those that voted on the principle of sovereignty would presumably be happy though.
So much blah blah mate. How many ways can remainers think up to try to reverse the result of the referendum? If parliament doesn't abide by the result of this vote politicians in this country will be finished.
Totally agree Col and it seems that Cameron and co are slowing things down. Now that twunt Jeremy *unt is saying if he is elected he will ask for another referendum. Now the EU members are saying to us to take our time hoping things will change and we will go back to them. If this is the case democracy in Britain will be over.
I could possibly live with that, although I do feel that immigration is a problem that needs to be addressed.
If there were any real democracy in Britain newspapers would not be telling their readers which way to vote and debates of this kind would be conducted using real information - there has been no debate. Also, in a real democracy we would not have had a Tory majority in the first place. There has to be a second referendum on this - we do not pay our politicians to collectively choose a course which they know will damage the economy for years to come, will damage Britain's standing in the World, and will plunge us into constitutional crisis. How Cameron could have been such an arrogant moron as to trust a simple first past the post referendum in a country where the Sun and the Mail are the 2 mostly widely read newspapers is beyond me.
You have to wake up, all newspapers lean one way or another, whether here, UK or Germany or wherever. Its true now and has always been true.
Yeah..................do it the EU way eh? Keep making us vote till the desired result is reached. Never trust the people, just dictate to them eh?
I think it's fair to say if that scenario is played out to a General Election UKIP would gain massively as they would be the only party who could enact the referendum result through Parliament, even people who voted 'Remain' may feel that the will of the people has been ignored. It really is the thin end of the wedge when democracy plays second fiddle to arrogance...
Yeah as if we can't make up our own mind and vote how we feel? And more project fear about our country because the other team won the majority. This is really turning into sour grapes
That is a very neat way of avoiding answering my point. Deflection by raising a number of other groups to blame for acts of blatant race hatred. You sound like the sort of person who would readily attack any defence based on psychological causes for acts which most of us recognise to be pure evil. So tell us please. What have the Poles done to deserve to be attacked in this way? I'll give you a clue. It has nothing to do with youngsters not voting or the older generation making what you believe to be mistakes in pursuing multiculturalism and tolerance of others who don't share your background. Try again. A simple acknowledgment that it was inexcusable and that the perpetrators should be dealt with severely would be nice. Unless of course you think it was acceptable. I'm sure we'd all like to know if that is the case.
Are you suggesting that I am a racist? Please clarify. I have answered your question. You are reacting hysterically to these attacks. The BBC revealed today that there have been 85 such attacks reported. That is an increase of around 30. So a spike, but incredibly rare. As is always the case in periods of uncertainty, extremists try to take advantage. This is the usual nut job racists doing just that. Again, please clarify as to whether you are accusing me of being a racist.
As I said later in the thread Col, I don't think they will have the balls to do it. It wouldn't reverse the result of the referendum, which as Strolls said means different things to different people who voted leave, it would just start the process of getting a Parliament and Government which actually supports the policy. It's what I meant earlier in the thread that Cameron ****ed up by not making the referendum explicitly mandatory. Then there would have been none of these possibilities, they would have to accept and act on the leave vote. It's got nothing to do with me being a remainer, just having a bit of fun, speculating. If it actually happens the consequences could be much worse than leaving the EU, as Sooper noted. I hadn't thought that bit through when I posted. Having Farage with any more influence may even get an old, lazy, self regarding git like me out on the streets.
No. I have no idea whether you are a racist or not and made no such accusation. I was very clear in my question. If you are a racist just say so. This is a forum after all. It is simply disappointing that you chose to be evasive in seeing those acts for what they were. 85 acts of nutjob racism. You may see this as a minor spike and any condemnation of it as hysterical. Frankly I find your unwillingness to condemn it as disturbing. Even now, there seems to be no sense of outrage at the behaviour of some of your compatriots. Surely you don't subscribe to the "boys will be boys " and "it's laddish behaviour, that's all" school of thought.
You are continuing to suggest, all be it in a veiled manner that I am a racist. Please apologise for suggesting such a disgraceful slur on my character. I have never condoned any acts of racism. I haven't been evasive in any way. In fact it's you who are being evasive by not acknowledging that immigration can be a genuine concern for people.
