Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

There was plenty of thought. The need to try to agree sensible trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world. Agree deals regarding all the other things that the EU used to do with us or meant we didn't have to do. Come up with a sensible immigration policy. It would have been pretty stupid for Cameron to come up with a detailed plan and then he resigned the next day. Maybe the Civil Service have in place plans for both scenarios in an outline form.

 

Round and round we go. I tell you the way markets behave and you try to tell me that they're stupid.

Fine, call it what you like. That's the markets. And as I've said fighting them is pointless. Even gvts can't win!...

 

My mortgage payment is £4.56 this month and I am certainly not 60 something

 

I've got two mortgages running for another six years and I'm 64.

 

I have hissy fits, as you call like to them when smart arses try and tell me about something I've forgotten more about than they'll ever know.

 

12,000 who confirmed they voted the way they did.

12,000 is way more than an average poll size, it's therefore representative of the reality.

Why not just accept that reality, rather than try and decry it, as you're not keen on the content?

 

Many polls have been wrong recently. Just because more people were polled doesn't mean it was representative.

 

Reading the last series of posts, I just can't imagine why so many people seem tired of being told what they should think or why they think as they do, by pompous types that insist they know better.

I mean, it's not as though similar pompous types have shaped the education system that is seemingly so inadequate or dumbed down tv or contributed to global recession is it.

 

I haven't seen us fall back into recession yet. It may happen, but, if it does, I think it would not be severe or lasting and a worthwhile price to pay for grasping the nettle and seeking to have more control over our own affairs. That is very much a suck it it and see matter.

I am sure there are those who have the ambition to take Article 5o forward, but I would hope that they have the sense to prepare all facets of our exit strategy first. I'm not sure how you expect a new leadership to plan, sign off and then implement a plan until they are elected to do so; what's the indecent rush all about, as it is very much in our interest, financially and strategically, to take our own well considered time, observing the key financial milestones we are already involved with.

In short you really haven't got a scooby what is good for the UK economy (much the same as most of us), as you are just guessing and trying to sort everything in immediate knee-jerk reactions. I agree that uncertainty plays a part in what is going on, but that particular storm is easily ridden - it is the financial charlatans who we must guard against.

 

But it massively increases the statistical likelihood of it being representative of the reality, plus or minus the 3% error rate.

So it's almost certainly representative of the reality.

 

Why? The polls have been massively wrong. It could be how they do their sampling.

 

You sound like my ****ing brother!!
I have two theories why this voting pattern happened.

1) Younger, educated people tend to be more liberal, and ****ing ******s seemed to think that this was about keeping out foreigners, on both sides, so younger, educated people voted remain because they disagreed with Farage's idiotic views on immigration, and they knew that, in or out, immigration policy is not going to change.

2) Educated people, especially in high remain voting towns like Oxford and Cambridge (who remain percentages were in the 70s I believe), have or come from big money. Seeing as the Brexit vote just knocked billions of the value of several of the countries top companies, their daddies companies (and their trust funds) all took a hit.

People, ALL people, still miss the big picture.
The EU was ****ing sinister as ****. Its overall aim was to usurp control of Europes governments and install itself as the de facto continental government, in charge of borders, military, Tax payers money. This is their goal. They have admitted as much.
A generic, grey Europe, under control of one unelected government, is not something I ever want to see.
To ignore this so that you can paint this as some liberal protest and score points with the ultra left wing, hippy crowd, is ****ed up, and short sighted.

 

It's called statistical likelihood.

Lord Ashcroft is a highly respected pollster and a Brexit supporter btw.

Why are you so eager to decry the results of their analysis?

 

Hmm, I think you will find that as of January 2017 that will change. Liam Fox referred to it this lunchtime, it wasn't disputed and seemed perfectly sensible. Unfortunate I do not have a link other than what I heard. Time will tell, though.

 

I'm not. I'm looking at it logically. If you choose a bad sample you will get bad results. Why does it matter what Ashcroft was in favour of?

 

So why did nobody listen to her then (yes she did good), I will tell you because the INNERS campaign was dross.

 

How about educated people and those who have a ****ing job, didn't see the need for us to take a massive risk for little perceived benefit, and the old and feckless just thought **** it.

 

The Remain campaign should have hired you...

The result would have certainly been different.

 

I didn't say I didn't believe it, I asked you to name the companies so their situation can have some context added, rather that vague argument. You want to discuss it them offer a bit more so we can make a decent judgement on the rights and wrongs. Playing the soppy, hurt poster is a bit sad really; I'm not heartless, you have no idea of an anonymous posters circumstances, but you find it easy to point fingers. Post some detail - do you want me to post details of companies that have already laid of hundreds and thousands in redundancies in the last 12 months?

 

Or maybe the "olds" are wise and they kids are dumb as only about 36% voted.
Blame them not us older people