Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

It's ironic that in the main Leavers seem to have voted on 4 main points
1. Immigration
2. Make the UK stronger/nationalistic reasons
3. Dislike of EU rules and controls over the UK
4. EU being undemocratic.

and that the leaving will have no effect on (1) Immigration, or maybe even lower the controls we have by forcing us to join the Schengen area.
The leave vote looks like it's going to destroy the UK (Scotland being forced to vote to leave, Good Friday agreement undermined, NI may vote to leave/join Rep of Ireland or Scotland), so (2) is gone.
We'll have even less say over (3) EU rules and regs.
and the (4) EU is more democratic than our government.

So basically, as well as undermining our economy and (particularly the poorest areas) robbing these areas of essential EU funding at a time when the Chancellor says more cuts will be needed following Brexit, and the £350m a week has been shown (repeatedly to be a huge lie) and within hours they've admitted this (fictional) money won't be used on the NHS, the leavers haven't actually got anything they've wanted!

But they have put Boris in charge and given the Far right a much bigger platform in British politics...

 

I honestly don't think many of those who voted to leave actually thought this through.

 

There will be literally millions of them who voted Leave because they genuinely thought it would get rid of the foreigners.

The first guy in the below clip.....words fail....

 

You guys are like a bunch of feminists, sounding off in your vile echo chamber!

**** me you chaps are depressing. Can't we just go back to slagging each others team off please?

 

Ashcroft is an independent polling company, and Lord Ashcroft himself was in favour of Brexit.

The results of the 'who voted for who' post poll analysis isn't subjective opinion it's ****ing fact.

So the uneducated and unemployed did primarily vote Leave and the opposite vice versa. It's how it panned out, not spin or a slanted view - fact.

You appear to have difficulty deciphering between the 2 Bod.

As for your bullshit comment about how I'll view this in 5 years time - ha, trust me I ****ing won't. We'll still be negotiating the terms of our exit in 5 years time if this madness is ever signed off and Article 50 invoked by some suicidal Tory. Not that I think it will. There'll be a GE in the Autumn imo.

If the poll was re-run this Thursday given the altering of the goalposts already by the Brexit camp and a massive number of Leave voters seemingly already regretting their glib vote, who'd win do you reckon?

 

No, what you done is :

- state what happens in the "markets" with some mantra that is by definition an oxymoron
(those working in the "markets" must hate EVERY DAY of their working lives)

- appeared to have got very shirty indeed when somebody else in the "markets"
(the Moodys guy) gave a contrary opinion to the one you have repeatedly spouted.
(https://uk.linkedin.com/in/alastair-wilson-8a8b7725 for "appeal to authority" debate watchers) .

 

He is still a ~~~~ though

 

Sorry In voters, no second referendum

Sorry Tobes, you will have to carry on stropping like a silly little child

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044

 

I am saying that the likelihood is 0.5.
Anyone who wishes to claim the likelihood is higher or lower than that : be prepared to show
your workings (mine is one line long) .

 

how did that work out for him ?

 

Exactly, not a ****ing clue. He's okay about movement of people in Europe but thinks that voting out will stop Muslims coming from Africa.

 

What the **** does the EU have to do with Africa?
Does he think Africa is in Europe?

 

Do you mean these Moody's?

The UK has had its credit rating outlook cut to "negative" by the ratings agency Moody's after the country voted to leave the EU.
Moody's said the result would herald "a prolonged period of uncertainty".

Moody's said the referendum result would have "negative implications for the country's medium-term growth outlook", and it lowered the UK's long-term issuer and debt ratings to "negative" from "stable".

It added: "In Moody's view, the negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget."
It also said the UK had one of the largest budget deficits among advanced economies.
Colin Ellis, chief credit officer at Moody's, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK's credit rating could have an impact on UK households in the long term.
"The government borrowing rate is normally the benchmark - it is the rate at which other interest rates in the economy are set," he said.
"A lower rating would typically correspond to higher borrowing costs, and that would be felt not just by the government but by businesses and households in the longer term."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36626201

 

It's a classic case of uniformed voting. Those who voted to leave on immigration issues are going to be ****ed off when they learn that we have to accept EU rules on immigration if we want access to the single market and they will be ****ed off when they learn that we will still have to pay into the EU to access that market.

 

Only I have never said there'll be a second vote.

So yet another epic fail from you

 

Yeah but RDBD says there's only Likelihood, not certainty so Moody's can **** off

 

Allowing idiots to vote on something they don't understand and this is what you get.

It doesn't help when they're spoon fed ****e by the Murdoch media and blatant liars like Farage though tbf.

 

1. Yes, the Moodys' that employs a Mr Wilson who has a contrary opinion to fellow employee Mr Ellis. ***

2. You need to post Mr Ellis' linkedin page etc (for all "appeal to authority" debate watchers) .


*** Assuming Mr Wilson has not made what I call a "career move" .

 

I think it would be the same outcome. Too many only watch Jeremy Kyle, eat, sleep, repeat.

This whole thing is passing them by after they ventured out in ****stained clothes and put a cross in the 'immigrants took my fooking job' box.