Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Yeah, but look on the bright side. They've promised Custard he won't get any more of those horrible immigrants coming to live near him.

 

It is strange that the general public whether Remain or Brexit are asking these questions now instead of before the vote. Remain people scrutinising the fact control didn't mean reduce, and the Out people now seeking assurances the grants will be covered. Even the SNP were too bloody naive not to ask for their Scottish referendum after the EU referendum.

Did everyone seriously lose their brains for about 6 months???

 

But there's also potential to rule for a decade without any reasonable opposition and a blank canvass.

 

It's academic. They've said they're not having another referendum and are letting democracy run its course. We are where we are no matter what the autopsy turns up.

The task now is build confidence and unity.

 

When even Boris didn't expect it to actually happen, then I think the average Joe thinking his vote wouldn't end up making a ****s worth of difference is probably somewhat understandable

Boris looked like a man who'd won a raffle and found out that the prize was a night with Nigel Farage on Friday.

 

What relevance is there that the GBP is stronger than the Euro 5 or 2 years ago? Surely what's important is what it's worth today?

Can I please buy your house for what it was worth in 1997 when I started out?

 

True. Their biggest threat is internal squabbles. Labour are dismissing the current fall out as a long running dispute using the vote as an excuse. It doesn't look good for them either way.

 

Despite being an Out voter and holding these views for a lot longer than just since the referendum was announced it has to be said I didn't once believe it would actually be achieved until about halfway through the night of the results being announced...

 

Unity

This will end up being the most devisive vote in British history. It's bad enough already, but when it starts hurting, there'll be fingers pointing left, right and centre.

There was never going to be a second vote on it, but I'd have decent money on there being a GE before the end of the year, with article 50 not being invoked before it is concluded..........

 

The Labour front bench are trying to get Corbyn out as they suspect that a GE might be on the cards.

Given that he's completely unelectable, you can see their motivation.

 

I honestly think that there was an arrogance from the

Was starting to type something similar to this reply. In some ways, sheer arrogance from the remain camp that people would blindly believe them.

 

Aye, and a good shake up of the system and participants was needed. People deride the public and Farage, but how **** must the opposition been?

It shows how out of touch and complacent they'd all become.

 

Every cloud...Lady Stan is finally contemplating an early Stexit.

 

I'm a traditional Labour voter. The last 14 years have left me seriously disillusioned. I genuinely believe all our lives changed for the worse when John Smith died. But anyway, I can't see any strong leaders out there at the moment. The Labour Party doesn't have enough of a pool of MPs to find anyone decent either, that's half the problem.

 

I agree with regards to the Remain campaign, it was poorly orchestrated and indeed complacent

However, having read the stats on which social groups and party supporters voted which way, it's apparent that it was the have nots and the elderly who pushed this through. I'm not sure whether any counter argument would have swayed the disenfranchised and those harping back to the 'good old days', when we had general strikes and winter nights without power.

 

Choosing Ed over David was the moment it all went to **** for the Labour leadership, but I'm not sure who would step in and really unite the party and be a good leader out of the current lot. There's some good Labour MPs but none that look like a natural Successor to Corbyn at the moment, I'm not a Labour voter but the last leadership election seemed like really weak candidates to me.

 

Ummuna is the only credible candidate I can think of offhand.

 

A start in swaying them would have been to have recognised the concerns and show clearly they were accepted and what was planned to resolve it. I think an amount of the current issue with the politicians is that they don't seem to know where to start getting the people believing they represent them.

They've spent to long playing internal politics and ignoring what they were there for. Even now, you can see some of them still playing to the gallery, instead of getting a strong set of principles and sticking to them.


Why do you believe Liverpool voted as it did? Maybe there's a lesson there?

 

Yeah Ummuna has that kind of leader vibe to him but didn't he not run last time because he didn't think he'd get the backing for it?

 

I think it was ****ed before then, but choosing Ed was definitely the nail in the coffin. Agree about the candidates, I thought they all looked weak. The ONLY one who I thought might be good, actually withdrew, and that was Mary Creagh.

Btw I think Ummuna withdrew because of fears of personal scrutiny into family life being leader of the party. Personally, I think he's probably got something dodgy lurking in the metaphorical wardrobe lol and he's worried it will come out.