Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Yes he has exclusive UK rights.

How long til the GBP recovers? Months? Years? Small businesses need stability to survive.

There is so much potential short term carnage that is being flippantly dismissed as supposedly it will all be fine in a couple of years.

 

Uncertainty doesn't have to mean negativity.

It would be rather naive to think a Remain vote would lead us all to eternal happiness and prosperity either.

 

A tanked pound for 12 months will kill most independent businesses that import from the EU.

You got a nice safe job that pays you a decent wage WR?

 

Nope, you still don't understand it.
When I want the number 10, I can get it as 5 x 2, 10 x 1, 20 * 0.5 etc.

The large "design by committee" monolith says I am big enough to demand 20 * 0.5, but it will
take ages to get internal consensus. The smaller entity says, I am only taking 1 x 2 from them,
but meanwhile I have done 1 x 2 from four other entities. I still got 10, but have four new friends you are
either trying to beat down, or are too slow to engage with. And they all have a new friend in me.

 

As I've mentioned, 2 years is a stab in the dark. Some commentators are saying it could take 10 years plus to renegotiate all of the trade, law and constitutional deals.

Then there is the fact that the Brexit campaign have admitted that they 'Have no plan' for the UK post Brexit ....

 

I'm afraid that in this case uncertainty is highly negative. The markets hate it, and the public does too.

Uncertainty leads to volatile markets, lack of investment; and in the case of the man on the street, a reluctance to spend or borrow.

 

How quickly can they come up with a plan given that it was a cross party campaign (plus an unelected racist as its poster boy)?

 

Still orbiting over your head I see. We already had those friends, they used to trade with us as part of the EU. They might still in the future, but on terms that are more favourable to them, not us.

 

If his business has fallen apart after one day of financial jitters his business was probably screwed anyway.

In regards to the markets if the remain camp had tried to be a little more positive the markets, possibly, wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

When senior politicians say the world will end of there's an exit vote then it stands to reason that the markets may react like the world has ended when there's an exit vote.

 

One assumed that they would have been working on a plan from the very beginning. Assumptions are a dangerous thing.

 

If it takes ten years then potentially we dont exit the eu for ten years as article 50 states that the minimum to me is 2 years but could be extended if matters are not resolved.

As for brexiting, i was one of the london based people who supported brexiteering. Saying that i abstained from my postal vote as i knew my vote could potentially cause job losses especially (all the eu granted ones) but i didnt want to vote remain as i didnt believe in it.

To the people thinking about the immediate job losses, i actually think the eu is in a big financial mess and that with the uk leaving its more of a 1 step back 2 steps forward. We can negotiate trade agreements with other countries (piskie seems to think its like a doctors surgery 1 trade agreement to be negotiated whereas countries negotiate in parallel) rather than being stuck behind a highly beauracratic eu government who cannot agree on the trade agreements until everyone agrees.

With respect to the EU, its slowly making itself more powerful from what it had originally came from and that troubles me which is also why i didnt like it.

For the people who think that contributing to the smaller countries of the EU to build up their economy, do you think the brain drain of these countries helps them to grow as most of their young and intelligent citizens decide to move to work in the most prosperous and higher paid countries of germany france and england?

 

Old friends and new friends. A "zero sum" outcome. Yep, you don't understand.

 

Oh i forgot to mention by cutting off ties early when the eu inplodes we will lose far more jobs then than we will after brexiting (we would still lose jobs as markets are related but we can soften the blow)

 

I'm using the analogy of the queue as that was the language used by the US. I'm not saying that it's a literal queue where you have to wait your turn in line one by one, the point is that the deals we forge will not have the clout of the EU as a large trading bloc, they will be favoured over ours as our UK market worth less and is far less favourable to big trading blocs like the US and Asian markets, when they would prefer to trade with big blocs like themselves and the EU.

 

People have been waiting for a lot of years for the EU to implode. So, best advice is, don't hold your breath.

 

You don't seem to understand that it could be a negative sum. Those old friends and new friends will hold the cards when it comes to forging deals.

 

WTF are you blethering about?!

 

Soften the blow? Explain that one please Bobby. I think people can accept jobs are about to go, but they would like someone to tell them, THEY are the priority right now.

What a ****ing hypiocrisy that half the argument by the Brexit lot was that they wanted to protect British people's jobs, and now they shrug their shoulders and say that those who were reliant on the EU for their jobs are now acceptable collateral damage.

 

I don't think I missed the point at all. I tried to explain (perhaps not as eloquently as some), why I'm a eurosceptic.
Over the years, millions have lost jobs as a result of the "self serving EU" and their constant meddling in member states affairs and the belief that they know best. I'm afraid (and apologies if this sounds callous), the latest potential job losses are, as far as I'm concerned, the result of the incompentices of the EU. I'm sorry but I'm not sure that whatever I say will appease you on this.
I will say it again, I voted in, as I do not believe that we are strong as we could be, to shape our future. I have never said that two years and everything will be fine. I would have preferred that we waited until the economy was stronger and maybe any potential job losses could have been offset by our own healthy economy.
The bottom line is, after 40+ years, we should all be benefiting from financial equality between states, really healthy trading between the EU and the rest of the world, a manufacturing base that is fair to all member states and the strength not to be pushed around by the rest of the world.
Sadly were not.

 

Yeh that bollox made me laugh as well. But if you'd told him johnnny foreigner was nicking our jobs he'd have bought it hook line and sinker