Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

We've had an advisory referendum. Until our government chooses to invoke article 50 no process has begun for our exit from the EU as per the EUs own rules, it cannot force early negotiations, has been given an expected timeframe for when negotiations will begin and it won't effect what deal is done. What deal is done will be based on what is mutually beneficial to both parties, not on pettiness.

 

****ing hell, you really swallowed every line they fed you. BMW will go bust...you gullible dope!

 

There are a few permutations that could happen over the coming months. New labour leader, new Tory leader. Possible call for a general election. If the parties or at least one of them states they will not activate article 50 and wins the election. That's what I'm hoping for. Or if the tories choose not to have borrow as pm they quite simply ignore the referendum. Whoever takes over will not want to be the prime minister that systematically destroys this country by it breaking up and coming out the eu.

 

So you think we won't invoke it for 2 years? Really?

 

Question for @afcftw and @pieguts

I know of people whose livelihoods have depended on working for businesses that are tied to the EU and/or companies who's financial incentive for being here is because the UK is within the EU. There is no doubt that jobs will be lost, how many who knows!

Over the last two days everytime the economy or the effects of Brexit gets mentioned, the response from those wanting Out has been "Yeh we'll suffer for a couple of years but we'll be ok in the long run."

This is such a sanctimonious and flippant response as if people's jobs don't matter. These are REAL lives that will be affected. People I know are worried about their jobs and are worried about their homes, their kids future. Do you not think it ironic, that had this been the other way around, and it was the "establishment" coming out with this sort of sterile analysis, we'd all be slating them for not caring about the common man or woman???

Well I'm afraid these people who WILL lose their jobs are also English, Welsh, Northern Irish, Scottish fellow men and women. And nobody seems to give a **** about them. There seems to have been NOTHING planned for a Brexit result and nobody from the Out campaign seems to give any comfort to those whose livelihood is at stake. I'm sorry but saying "Ahhh it's alright we'll struggle for a couple of years but we'll be ok in the long run" is simply not ****ing good enough!! They have to stop saying this bollox and actually say something to reassure those whose lives are about to be turned upside down when their jobs are on the line ffs! It makes me feel that whether you're the so-called establishment or someone who voted for Leaving, the idea you're doing it for the people of this country is actually bullshit.

 

We're a democracy so leaving the EU and the break up of the U.K. is now inevitable. The people have spoken.

Danny Dyer is waiting in the wings with his manifesto which will undoubtedly include the word "treacle".

 

Not sure Id go as far as bust! But we are over 10% of there global trade (over 8 billion euros per year) more than France, Italy and Japan combined who are the three next biggest trade areas after us. Only China, the US and of course Germany do more business with BMW than the uk market. We are most definitely a key market for the company.

 

1. First over advantage is about getting in and making the inroads while others faff about.
The telecoms sector is littered with the corpses of standards, tech etc that may have had "clout"
behind them, but took too long to get going. Trade is no diifferent.

2. We're 4th in the queue. Unless the queue is perpetually four in length of course.


"The quote you cite could well come to fruition."

could. <Sparta>


The "rationale" I've read on here so far from you lot is for all the talk of markets hating uncertainty etc
you do like to talk of future events you haven't got any prescience on as being certainties.

Irony (and hypocrisy) indeed.

 

No, when did I say that? Our government have given the timeframe that when a new PM is in place, October, that we will begin the process.

 

I agree there are still some interesting political times ahead before an exit from the EU occurs and there are still avenues that could lead to us remaining in the EU regardless of the referendum result.

 

I met a guy at a bbq yesterday who has spent 15 years establishing and running an import business. Overnight his business is in trouble as the pound has tanked, his suppliers will want to renegotiate, his clients will tighten their belts etc.

The "give it two years and everything will be fine" excuse means **** all to him.

 

I know two people who work for businesses like that. Everytime some **** comes out with that bollox I feel like grabbing them by the neck and saying, see how you like it if it happens to you, you ****tard.

I understand that this will happen, but it's the complete flippant indifference towards it that gets me. At the end of the day, the mask slips and it shows there is no ****ing moral high ground with the brexiters, no matter how much they tried to paint otherwise.

 

That's not what my stance has been at all. I've pointed out that I expect a deal will be done to continue access to the common market and as such the effect on jobs etc that are tied to the EU will be minimal provided confidence is kept that we will achieve said deal. Businesses will start putting contingency plans in place so that should our deal not be full access to the common market they can relocate jobs that specifically apply to EU trade across to other countries, however should that situation not occur those will remain unused plans. I can't guarantee there won't be businesses that get too spooked, but particularly in terms of financial institutions the expertise level in the capital is such that the preferred situation for those businesses would be to continue as normal here.

If we negotiate access to the common market, there is no reason for businesses to up and leave.

 

They MADE THE RULE. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have devised it.

An EU politnik with a brain cell would have come and said :

We know the letter of the law. We accept the wishes of the UK electorate.
In the spirit of the law, we hope the UK can prepare the groundwork for the formal
exercising of Article 50 ASAP.

What did we get from them ??
Cut and paste any of Custards' umpteen piccies over the past 48 hrs here.

EU politniks : X will never happen. <hubris>
The RDBD : It will, and sooner than than you think. <professional experience>

 

Your first sentence is all that really matters about this particular issue. BMW going bust was just yet another ill informed comment by a bigoted mug who bought into Farage's lies and is slowly realising that he voted for a man who has as much influence on UK policy as Nick Griffin.

 

Again, you've missed the point entirely about the conditions of trade. The UK market is significantly smaller and therefore less important to the US than the EU market. We might move first, although that itself is contradictory to what the US are saying about dealing with the EU first and us last, and even then we don't have nearly as much to offer as we would were we still part of the EU.

Again also, you seem to be simply using a rationale that because it's not happened yet, it won't ever happen. It's akin to the Ostrich burying it's head in the sand.

 

October isn't very far away fella. Between now and then we've got a PM who's washed his hands of the whole thing. Very soon we go to the table with a very **** hand.

 

It isn't very far away so there is no need to panic that it is going to somehow effect our negotiating position.

 

Interesting article from the Independent on Norway's relationship with the EU. A model that has been cited that the UK might follow.

As well as having to pay significant sums into the EU to trade with them, they also have to accept Schengen, have no say in the formation of EU rules despite being subject to them.

Norway's PM Erna Solberg said that her country acts like a 'lobbying organisation' when it comes to the EU.

Ms Solberg added: “That type of connection is going to be difficult for Britain, because then Brussels will decide without the Brits being able to participate in the decision-making.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-minister-erna-solberg-warning-a7084926.html

 

I hope you're right. But more importantly I hope people actually sending that message out. The whole point of this result is allegedly so that we can decide our own future and be responsible for ourselves. Well that responsibility started the second the final vote count was officially declared. If we're waiting a week let alone 3 months to reassure workers or addressing the concerns of businesses then that is piss poor. I have the feeling (and I could be wrong) that there was nothing planned in the immediate aftermath. I'm getting that from the wall of silence coming out of our government and those in charge. This sort of stuff is so dependent on public confidence and that usually is dictated by the actions of those in charge.