Off Topic Political Debate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-36595235

Nice to see the BBC revealing what's happening to my council tax - but, true to form, they just had to get a sly dig at the SNP when there was absolutely no reason to.

 

MP's submit Corbyn no confidence vote.

I wonder if all those spotty faced youngsters who paid their two bob to put Comrade in power will take kindly to the very man responsible for taking the UK out of the EU?

Will they save his skin, debatable?

 

Comrade Corbyn faces a coup this week by members of his shadow cabinet, led by Hilary Benn. They will ask him to stand down, if he refuses there may be mass resignations in the shadow cabinet.

A decent man well out of his depth.

 

I think he was badly caught out by the referendum debate. The first reaction from many on Labour's side was - it is Cameron's referendum, he called it, we didn't want it, and so it's up to him to win it. Unfortunately Jeremy didn't move on from there. However much I respect his ideas he was caught a little bit like a rabbit in a cars headlights. He could not really contribute to the economic debate (he left this, rightly, to others), his comments on immigration did not really grasp the situation, and he spoke about workers rights without actually mentioning any. I will agree on one principle SH. that uncontrolled movement can become a demographic problem (regardless of who is doing the moving) - with strain on resources in the incoming country and rapid depopulation in the sending country - both of these can be problems, but I do not believe Britain has come to that stage yet. However, we must come to a stage where the question of demographic displacement (more polite sounding than immigration) can be raised without the usual accusations of racism being thrown around - unfortunately it's difficult to do. I will concede that a small island like Britain (England has the highest population density in Europe) must have a potential emergency break on immigration (and Corbyn ignored this) - and I would say this even if the immigrants were the 6 million or so returning Britons. Labour will have a problem replacing Corbyn without mass defections from the rank and file of the party.

 

We need a robust campaign to save comrade Jeremy, The Tories cannot afford to face a proper opposition leader at the moment.

 

Benn has been sacked and the resignations have started. Will be interesting if Comrade Corbyn says that he will ask the New New Labour members to decide and have another leadership vote - they will vote for him again and he will be forced to take on his supporters onto the shadow cabinet. They cannot even take advantage of the tories in turmoil.

 

Interesting situation and as we get both the Observer and the Telegraph .. an interesting read......I think it is more balanced to reflect that both parliamentary parties are in turmoil with tail wagging the dog. We have a ground zero situation and the chance for both to rebuild.... but speed needed.

For me personally the Johnson-Gove ticket would be the worst outcome as they both play a very divisive and elitist game.

But yes when the Labour party could maximise advantage they are in disarray. Corbyn fails even as an orator at a time like this when the media responds to sound bites and one-liners

Where is your Armageddon hideaway w_y ? As the borders will soon be closed and we are approaching anarchy we may need it...

 

My son-in law is home for the weekend and was showing me an e-mail he had received as it has an effect on him. The council that controls the safety of medicines across the whole of the EU is based in England. It has doctors,scientists, IT specialists drawn from the EU countries and elsewhere to ensure that proper safe standards are maintained. The e-mail stated that with withdrawal from the EU it would be impossible to continue in the UK and would have to continue elsewhere. Over the next few months they would seek out accommodation outside of the UK and would keep in regular contact so as people could better plan their options. These are skilled people that should be working for everyone, but seems that they will have to move on.

 

Sad but true..... by voting Leave the UK has pulled up the drawbridge and there will be a real social and cultural price to pay.

The sort of Britishness that Farage and others acclaim leaves me cold. I am less proud of my nation than ever.

 

Watching from the outside I can't help thinking that much of the traditional Labour support will go to UKIP. Farage is already being shut out of the withdrawal negotiations, which could give him room to complain that any agreement reached is giving too much favour to the EU. From here Farage seems to be a populist who draws his support from the disillusioned working classes who mistrust anyone in a position of power and influence.

The only hope for the UK is that the fears expressed by the Remain side prove unfounded, otherwise there will be an alarming lurch to the right with blame being put on any vulnerable target. What the UK needs now is a politician of states(wo)man like proportions who can settle the nerves or everyone and reduce the levels of fear or expectation (depending on which side of the argument individuals fall) that the referendum has produced. Again, from the outside, I don't get the sense that there is anyone who can fill this role.

So much vitriol has been expended in the campaign that it would appear that the UK and the main political parties will spend the next two years tearing apart. How negotiations with the EU can take place in such a climate is beyond me.

The whole thing is a mess.

 

Does anyone think that if the 2 parties stay as a mess, could the Lib Dems group enough to accomplish something which you could probably get longer odds than for us winning the PL?

 

No, I do not. It will take a generation for LibDem followers to forget that they got into bed with the devil.

 

Jeremy Thorpe's friend?

 

What social price?, what cultural price?

 

It is ironic that Comrade Corbyn could go down in history as the person that did the most damage for left wing causes. He has selflessly put himself ahead of his party, country and Labour Party supporters.

 

I realise I haven't answered this....

Without going on a big evidence trawl I mean:

• The shared cultural and social institutions that come under the EU patronage and stewardship..... the arts, films, theatre , educational, research etc etc
• The enrichment of our culture that goes with a wider identity and cross-over of peoples. I myself have zero affinity for the British bulldog mentality, lager swilling holiday makers, etc etc cultural image....

 

You know the way things are Yorkie:
Your car - German
Your Pizza - Italian
Your tea - Indian
Your democracy - Greek
Your shirt - Indian
Your oil - Saudi Arabian
Your electronics - Chinese
Your numbers - Arabic
Your letters - Latin
Your holiday - Spanish
Your second home - French
Your main religion - From the middle east

Your neighbour - Just a bloody foreigner !!!

 

oh no. back to greasy fish and chips then

 

I thought that is all northerners eat?

 

Why would they change? The EU does not provide much stewardship or patronage on any of those. Theatres will still be packed, you will still struggle to get a ticket to the Ballet or Shakespeare at The Globe. Films that receive British government tax breaks will still be made. Wonderful exhibitions at some of the world finest museums and galleries will still be put on and visitors from across the globe will queue up to see them. Borough Market will still be packed. Home grown and foreign visitors will travel to Stonehenge, Strafford, Liverpool, York, Edinburgh etc etc etc.
Our culture has been enriched for hundreds of years from all sorts of sources and will continue to do so, just because a whole government structure in Brussels (and sometimes in Strasbourg) will no longer play a part in governing this country, this will not change one iota.
I detest the whole lager swilling mentality - those people who lay on beaches in the Med eh - tsk!
You really do yourself a disservice by coming up with these one-liner sound-bites that hold little credibility.