What happens if we take our time? Surely if ever there was a time we'd not give a **** what the EU say it's now. If it benefits the UK to wait three or six months or however long, do it I say.
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What happens if we take our time? Surely if ever there was a time we'd not give a **** what the EU say it's now. If it benefits the UK to wait three or six months or however long, do it I say.
It's fantasy Island stuff. Although i will agree that before the campaign Boris was a pro-European as Cameron was a eurosceptic. No election as comrade Corbyn and Labour would get smashed.
We don't want to be rushed, but we don't want to make 27 enemies either, with hardened attitudes.
A referendum I believe is not legally binding, I just hope they don't cause more friction within our Nation by trying any underhand political manoeuvres.
I guess if they hate us now they'll hate us anyway. I suspect a few, probably the few that really matter, are a little envious.
It needs a vote of Parliament to ratify Brexit and there's every chance that vote will go against it, this could really get very messy...
Agree. And if the Tories are seen to backpeddle on VoteLeave promises, they could haemorage support to UKIP
There will still be respect and some goodwill. We have to go in tough, but not inconsiderate to key EU internal concerns imo
Excuse my ignorance, but what damage does it do to the EU if it takes, for sake of argument, six months instead of three?
It's not their call Goldie, we have to ask to leave before exit discussions start. That's what Article 50 requires. Once we ask, it's all in the EUs hands, I believe they offer us terms. The referendum puts us in limbo until that happens, even if the EU want it to happen quickly (as I do if we are going).
According to EU. laws on this they have no right to ask us to rush this issue. The referendum was a purely internal affair, which had no legal provision attached to it - it was, legally, only an opinion tester and therefore, as far as the EU. is concerned, nothing has happened. It is clear under article 50 that Britain has the right to invoke this when it wants. It will be very dissapointing for many Brexiters that even Gove has said that this could be delayed until 2018. There will almost certainly be a general election first, but this would not really change the ratio in the house of commons which is circa 450 to 150 for remain. So the name of the game for 'remain' now is damage limitation, and neutralization, - around 7,000 individual treaties would have to be dealt with as part of the negotiation process, and our position on each one would be decided by them. In the end we would have a relationship to the EU. which is very little different from what we have now.
It's no ignorance, Watford! I assume the EU leaders don't want our exit negotiations to fester. They don't want Boris turning up to EU Council of Ministers meetings for two years telling all that want to listen what a crap institution it is. They also want shot of disaffected Euro MP's like Farage and Hannon
Possibly, but it's precisely why the prospective Tory candidates need to declare and state how they will proceed quickly, to stop all this bollocks. It's definitely more possible than a petition driven re run of the referendum.
Cameron has stitched everyone up like a kipper. Including himself.
That's true legally, Stan, but if we don't work with them, we get into a diplomatic war. The EU may also be able to change its own rules to expel us. Undesireable route
Cameron has had a blinder. Gets to semi-retire early and make a killing from giving speeches.
Possibly mate, it's in everyone's interested to try to sort this out quickly and amicably if possible. We need leadership, even if it's leadership I personally don't like, before October.
I thought he did the decent thing in resigning as he's lost the vote. But there was something I enjoyed in his metaphorical "you deal with this **** now you fat clown" (drops mic) to Boris.
I think the EU have powers to force the issue. They can make their own laws if we leave them in limbo. If 27 agree, we could surely give us an ultimatum at the extreme
I think he left us in limbo - he had to resign but he could have waited until Monday and spent the weekend working out how to get things moving quickly. But he followed the Milliband/Clegg trend of jacking it it immediately.