Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Here you go @Hull City AFC (DMD) I'll quote the underlined bit to make it easier for you and ask the question again... and put in bold the bit about it not being ALL out voters, just to help you a bit further

Are you denying that the number of migrants wasn't an issue for Out voters who were voting on the issue of immigration?

 

You're doing the same as eeyore, and repeating the same thing with a few ad hominems.

I'm neither digging nor frustrated, I'm mildly amused at your pompous desperation to try to 'prove' that a few seconds TV trumps my life experience for forming my own personal opinion or knowing others that disprove your sweeping generalisation.

You're making a massive sweeping generalisation, and trying to drill down one minor point, and can't seem to accept that I'm offering first hand examples that show not all outers feel that way, even after you've tried to make your generalisation about a more and more narrow situation.

You can claim that based on the answers to specific questions on a specific topic given by a few individuals you've seen on tv, some outers seem to think...then you could perhaps have the start of an argument. What you don't have, is enough information to make the specific claim you're trying to.

 

Yep, it's still sweeping generalisation you're making, and you're still basing it on a smaller amount of conversation than I'm using to support my personal experience.

 

Your underlined sentence is badly worded, as it needs to qualify if you mean all or some voters that seemed to say on tv that they saw immigration as an issue. I'm sure the TV would have shown a few who said numbers were the issue, but that needs a differently worded question.

The short answer is I would say the numbers themselves are not the issue, it's more about control. It's quality over quantity of people coming in. It could end up being more, the same or less, but we would choose that depending on our needs and the ability of our infrastructure to house them. It's about being able to deport known criminals etc.

Also, the issue is more about Freedom of Movement rather than immigration, as we can already control the bulk of that, as it's outside of the EU.

Many, many people I've spoken to mentioned immigration only to say that they were irritated by some of the remain lot that seemed to ignorantly keep claiming that immigration was an issue.

 

So let's get this right... Asking the question "Why?" are soundbite questions. And giving the answer "To reduce immigration" is sweeping generalisations. Errrrrm ok lol.

What I find funny is that I'm not actually asking what your experience is. It's largely irrelevant to me because I don't know you. All I've ever talked about are the people who have given the same answers to the same questions I've just stated above. But you don't actually want to address them? I wonder why.

Which ever way you cut it, I doubt you'll find any rational person saying that people who voted out on the issue of immigration weren't in the vast majority of cases talking about reducing numbers. Why else were the actual numbers 350,000 being discussed lol. You sound a bit like that Iraqi general in the Gulf War, who in the full face of evidence against him, kept saying "nothing to see here"

Anyway I'll leave it there, good luck to Hull fella, you're going to need it.

 

Asking the question isn't the sweeping generalisation, your interpretation and use of the answer is.

I have answered your question several times, but I had to restructure and explain it because as it stood, it tended to be a non-question.

Again, you're pompously dismissing my experience, which is after all, all I can use to form an answer, in favour of your own experience, which you admit is limited to a few seconds of selected replies on tv.

 

Daft twats:

Cornwall has begun pleading for reassurances that it won't lose the £60million a year it gets from the EU - just hours after the county's residents voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.

Some 182,665 Cornish residents sided with the out camp, while just 140,540 voted to remain.

But the reality of the situation may have started to hit home already in a county reliant on the £60million its gets every year for the European Union.

 

Same as Wales!

 

I was one of the 140,540

 

Tried to explain to him, but he's not listening.

Sturgeon will push hard. She'll stir up the Sweaties as to how they've been betrayed by the English, yet again!

My guess is that she'll get very strong support, a new referendum in 2 yrs max, and this time she'll win..

Break up of the U.K. Could well begin here....

 

Yep, I think it's inevitable that Scotland will vote to leave the UK now

And we could see a possible reunification of Ireland too.

 

It's not a 'few seconds' the subject has been extensively covered. Several,of us have all tried to tell you the same thing. The overriding reason that most leave voters went for was immigration. Not all, but they certainly were a majority.

The leave campaign concentrated on that one issue, too many numbskulls bought it, and 'leave' won!...

 

Just watching some stupid old biddy being interviewed on TV. 'You voted to leave, what do you think will happen now?' Says the interviewer. ' I don't know, we've never done this before, have we!' She says, looking suitably vacant.

Then why the **** did you vote to leave, you silly old bitch!?....

 

A significant proportion of the electorate seem to have forgotten that actions have consequences. They have also been encouraged to believe that everything is a matter of opinion, and all opinions have equal validity. So if Boris and Farage say we can jump out of a window and fly, their opinion carries just as much weight as that of the so called "experts".

Big reality check coming. That thing hurtling toward us? That's the ground mate.

 

You really are a moron, aren't you?

People try to explain wider issues to you, but you just come back with your usual infantile smart arse responses.

You are typical of the some of the idiots who voted to leave. You dwell up there in your little world, in Hull, and nothing else going on outside of there seems to matter to you.

"People in Hull voted to leave because politicians weren't listening". No ****?? Politicians not listening! What else is new? Even if that is the "reason" given by the people of Hull, it's not the main reason given by the leave voters of the wider UK.

That is immigration!.....

 

"Most leave campaigners" that you've seen in short sound bites on TV. Your experience is certainly no more valid than mine. To claim your second hand views as fact over mine is simply foolish and pompous.

Immigration's the wrong term, we already have the ability to control it from everywhere else but Europe, what you're referring to is freedom of movement.

 

Actually, it's freedom of movement, or just to humour you, immigration within the EU. You can't even get the terms of reference right.

Infantile, smart arse responses, being my personal experiences?

Even if I limit my personal experience to your restricted sample, the comments on tv from pundits, interviewee's and politicians, they didn't have it as the main reason.

I'm not just dwelling on Hull, and nor am I claiming it represents all out voters, that's just another example of your pompous attitude and a sweeping generalisation.

Your ignorance at least serves as an example of a small part of what the issue actually is, that being Ill informed people telling us what we think, and ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

 

You really, really don't get it do you.

 

These are no sound bites, Ffs! You just DO not listen to anything you don't want to hear, do you?

I, and others, have told you exactly the same thing! Extensive canvassing of voters has been done, some interviews far more than sound bites. There is no doubt that the major reason given by leave voters was immigration.

But, of course, you know better!,...

 

I don't know too many that voted on the strength of what Boris or Farage said. I know plenty that have seen repeated failures of the so called experts predictions, and don't give them too much credence either. Too many experts have an agenda or sell their "opinions".

The consequences are that now, they realise that they can't just keep ramming their version of what they say we really want down our throats, without actually listening to us.

A lot of politicians get it, it sounds like it will be a while before two or three on here catch up.